No Agenda - 1618 - "Fat Leonard" Transcript and Discussion (2024)

Starting point is 00:00:00 Oh my God! Adam Curry, John C. DeVore. It's Thursday, December 21st, 2023. This is your award-winning Kiff on Nation Media assassination episode 1618. This is no agenda. Busting the border up and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region number 6. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where everybody agrees that perhaps the dumbest and maybe the worst show in the history of television is The Masked Singer. I'm John C. Dvorak.

Starting point is 00:00:34 It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning. In the morning. In the morning to you. In the morning to everybody. Why are you watching The Masked Singer? I mean. I'm not.

Starting point is 00:00:43 That's what I said. It's the worst show in the history of television. Oh, okay. Just one. Why does anybody watch it? I don't know. It's bad. Oh, so they watch Jenny McCarthy go, oh my god! Which is all she does on the show. Is she on that show?

Starting point is 00:00:58 Yeah, she's one of the judges. Oh, man. That could be me. That could be my career. Yeah, and you'd fit right in. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's all she does. Can you imagine, you know, getting old, you know, VJ, there's only people over 45 know who you are, and that's all you got is you're going to be a judge on some shows.

Starting point is 00:01:22 Pays probably better than what we're getting here. Well, especially after this fantastic promotion we did for the golden circle or whatever it was it was actually there was something interesting you know netflix published its numbers uh they're they're viewing and uh i guess hours viewed numbers yeah no yeah they do the seconds billions of seconds viewed they have this crazy uh uh not the way their system is it's just nuts right but they can they can nail it to the obviously the minute so uh james cridland who does pod news he's a he does daily show and he he's a numbers guy because of course the podcast industrial complex is all about numbers. Don't worry. It's all going up.

Starting point is 00:02:06 More ads are coming. It's going to be great. And so he put together this calculator because we publish our stats on this thing called OP3s. That's how we know that we have 800,000, 900,000 people a month who listen to the show. And so he took that and he cross-referenced it with the Netflix numbers. And as it turns out, this show is bigger than 93% of any shows on Netflix. I wouldn't be surprised. And Netflix, on average, people pay 53 cents an hour for the content,

Starting point is 00:02:37 if you break it all down into what people are watching and how much they pay per month. Man, if only. If only. Yeah, that's we do have some people that do pay that well yeah but contribute that to the show but it's only a one percent two percent of the total yeah if only if only everybody did it would be great be great well netflix has a model that uh their line was to make it even partially work everybody else is struggling with streaming. Struggling with streaming.

Starting point is 00:03:07 Yeah. I think the reason that everyone's struggling with streaming is Netflix got in, they perfected the model. Yeah. They did a good job of taking their customer base and turning it into stream watchers. Remember, they had DVDs. Remember, they were sending DVDs around. That was cool.

Starting point is 00:03:24 Yeah, it was good. And the other people are Johnny Come Latelys. So what are you going to do? Yeah. So one of those few examples in tech, and I would call this tech, in tech where the first, the guy that got in first dominates. Yeah, he dominates. Generally speaking, it's like the second or third guy who perfects things. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:42 So I was the first in podcasting and no one has no one has perfected it second or third no you actually have you're the first again because you did the podcast the podcasting 2.0 is uh something that should get you a nobel piece nobel piece so just since you brought that up um last night they did the first Value for Value concert, and people were using the modern apps, and they were streaming Value for Value, and I think the artist, Ainsley Costello, made like $3,000. Value for Value works.

Starting point is 00:04:15 It really does. Well, how much would she normally make? Zero. What are you talking about? Zero. First of all, you can't even do a live streaming concert. What, is Spotify going to pay you for that? No. No. Tonight they do it again. Tonight they're live from Minneapolis. It's exciting stuff. It's exciting.

Starting point is 00:04:46 now that everyone in in my neck of the woods i said it neck of the woods is talking about is these migrants and let's just call them asylum seekers illegal immigrants and so now it seems that on the social media people have discovered that they're being flown to other countries other cities in the country, which we knew. This has been going on for years. But now all of a sudden... Those midnight flights have been documented. People have taken their cameras out and put it on YouTube and shown these flights being filled up with people.

Starting point is 00:05:17 But now it's commercial flights. They're buying seats from Delta and American... By the way, business class seats. And people are getting bumped from the flights because there's so many migrants who are getting this premium boarding, premium seating. I mean, you can have as many asylum seekers and migrants as you want, illegal immigrants in America. But when you start bumping people off of flights, lose their crap this is this is where americans draw the line hey you want to be here illegally whatever but you are not taking my seat

Starting point is 00:05:53 um so this is mainly coming from arizona large large groups of people uh tickets typically purchased within 72 hours of departure because whoever buys the tickets needs a name to purchase tickets making the fares very high so these are very profitable for the airlines this is why they don't get bounced um they also do not have to meet normal tSA. This is costing the American taxpayer. Oh, brother. And so we got a note from, this is a good note, boots on the ground.

Starting point is 00:06:32 Might as well just get right into it. I got a couple of clips too. Telling you this in anonymity, I'm an officer with TSA, San Diego International Airport. My background with TSA is with the behavior detection program and the insider threat Threat Teams.

Starting point is 00:06:46 So this is not just some rando who's yelling at you about your bottled water. Yeah, this is one of those guys who's looking for you, twitching at the wrong point. Exactly. Hey, look at that curry guy, man. He's twitching all over the place. Pull him over! I have 10 years of experience with observing and conversing with the traveling public and fought off the vaccine mandate so i feel like i have earned my stripes to speak on this with

Starting point is 00:07:10 some authority yes sir yes sir yes sir for him there are hundreds or her there are hundreds of illegals slash asylum seekers passing through our airport daily for well over a year now and recently i've been able to piece together who exactly is assisting with these people. Christian family services and Jewish family services have volunteers that guide large groups from the bus drop-off through TSA screening right onto their departing flights. Two young women that I assume were volunteers caught my eye in the spring and through the summer because of their flirtatious nature with the young male TSOs and the time they spent inside the sterile area without any asylum seekers in their care. I approached one of the girls that was speaking to a Jewish family services volunteer and was able to conclude these two young women are paid contracted employees with an NGO, non-governmental organization, called IEM. IEM.com.

Starting point is 00:08:09 Based on what I read of this group, they are well entrenched with assisting the government through many avenues of disaster relief, even the COVID vaccine rollout. These guys do it all. I mean, they are a military contractor. They're big. Big business. IEM.com. As for the Asylum Seekers, Angler Trust, you'll come to your own conclusions.

Starting point is 00:08:29 I think this IEM group, along with many others, take custody of these people when they cross the border, keep control of them with housing all the way through, with even judicial proceedings to support. Court dates have been confirmed to be well into 2027 and beyond. This is how it's working. So all this busing stuff from Texas, yeah, sure. And in fact, Texas is tired of the buses themselves since Chicago has been impounding buses.

Starting point is 00:08:56 We'll just rent the plane. It was a private plane that was chartered by Texas Department of Emergency Management that brought 100 migrants here to Chicago Tuesday night. According to the city, it landed at O'Hare Airport around 7.15. And on social media, Texas Governor Greg Abbott's administration posted about the plane, saying, because Mayor Johnson is failing to live up to a city's welcoming city ordinance by targeting migrant buses from Texas, we are expanding our operation to include flights to Chicago, like the Biden administration has been doing across the country. Until President Biden steps up and does his job to secure the border,

Starting point is 00:09:28 Texas will continue taking historic action to help our local partners respond to the Biden-made crisis. Governor Abbott says his administration has bused nearly 83,000 migrants to sanctuary cities. Chicago has received more than 24,000 so far. And during an interview with WTTW, Mayor Brandon Johnson said the governor of Texas is determined to create chaos. And we also know that the Latino caucus will join others out here downtown later on this morning

Starting point is 00:09:55 to demand more help from the federal government, I should say, in handling the migrant crisis here in Chicago. So everyone's blaming Abbott, of course, and what he did was obviously what we should just call it performative with this show me your papers bill that he signed. The Republican governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, signed a sweeping new law today that lets local police arrest migrants who cross the border illegally. It also lets state judges order them to leave the country.

Starting point is 00:10:25 Opponents say it directly violates federal authority over immigration. Texas Republicans say the Biden administration isn't doing enough to stop illegal immigration. So we got Rob, our constitutional lawyer, who immediately is all over this. So we have a good breakdown of what the law is. It's actually three bills. bills it's not just one which is worth breaking down three state law bills three bills the first allows texas law enforcement officers to arrest suspected illegals and judges to deport them summarily critics of course calling this the show me your papers law the second bill funds the wall along with stepped up patrols in places like houston and the third bill ups the penalty for being a coyote or running a stash

Starting point is 00:11:11 house from two years imprisonment imprisonment to 10 and this law was as you could predict immediately challenged in court the aclu filed a suit representing uh las americans immigrant advocacy center american gateways and el paso county el paso who've been overrun with illegal immigration like we're suing you we love it i don't know what's wrong with el paso but of course they're so they've asked for an injunction, injunction precluding Texas from enforcing the law, a declaratory judgment decreeing that the law is unconstitutional, which it probably is. Plaintiffs have stated they will seek a temporary this will have to play out over the next year. They need to file a cert petition with the Supreme Court. So this will go to the Supreme Court.

Starting point is 00:12:12 In the meantime, this is going to be the big, the big distraction. So we don't pay attention to Israel. Don't pay attention to Hunter Biden. Don't pay attention to Joe Biden falling down. I mean, it's really in competition with the anti-Trump. He fell down again? You wouldn't know because everyone's either talking about Trump or this.

Starting point is 00:12:35 I have two border clips. Okay, and then I have a couple of things and a conclusion here. I have some. Texas border update. Texas border update. Oh oh it's one of our favorites oops there we go this is n t d biden's deliberate inaction has left texas to fin for itself texas governor greg abbott on monday signed a law giving local officials the ability to arrest and deport illegal immigrants multiple civil rights groups are now

Starting point is 00:13:05 challenging it saying texas unlawfully keeps the federal government from enforcing immigration laws and this guy sounds a bit like uh patrick bett david don't you think a little bit he has a bit that's funny if you get to see this guy he's a very german looking guy he's he's he He actually doesn't look quite like his voice. That's interesting. From enforcing immigration laws and that it illegally bars immigrants from applying for asylum, Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador says Mexico is also preparing to challenge the law. I want to tell our fellow countrymen and migrants we will be defending them. I want to tell our fellow countrymen and migrants we will be defending them.

Starting point is 00:13:51 Texas' governor acts that way because he wants to be the vice president candidate for the Republican Party in the United States. And with these measures, he wants to gain popularity. Footage from Eagle Pass, Texas on Wednesday showed thousands of immigrants trying to enter the Lone Star State. The new law is set to take effect in March. In other Texas-related news, a razor wire fence is allowed to stay up at the state's southern border for now. A federal appeals court on Tuesday temporarily blocked the Biden administration from removing the fence. I will point out that it is supposed to take place March 5th which is the beginning the date exact date of the republican primaries so coincidence probably not it's all political it's all performative and i'm going to read a bill to you which i think explains what's really going on here what is it a clip here yeah

Starting point is 00:14:40 back in october the state sued the the Biden administration for cutting almost 30 miles of concertina wire. Lastly, illegal immigration now affects international trade. Business groups and train operators are pressing the government to reopen rail bridges in Eagle Pass and El Paso. Border authorities closed them on Monday because they're understaffed. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce says shutting down rail traffic through eagle pass in el paso will inflict significant economic harm oh yeah it's going to be economic harm it's going to be horrible and i have a couple of short clips here from uh democrat representatives uh who are i mean very interesting how they i think the american public in general is against this everyone's sick of it everybody in in even in the so-called sanctuary cities they see it

Starting point is 00:15:33 that you can't hide it anymore if you have if people have been kicked out of their hotels for their wedding parties because migrants you know and it's and by the way the language is asylum seekers migrants there's very little illegal immigrants there's none of that being said this is uh jasmine crockett i'm very concerned because the republicans have never gotten immigration right that's just the fact of it um there's not very much that the republicans get right in general and so to basically say that issues of national security as it relates to how we're going to take care of our allies should be tied to this mangled immigration process

Starting point is 00:16:13 is absolutely insane. I mean, when you look at somebody like Greg Abbott, my governor, and his solution, his solution is to basically say, hey, we're going to kill people that are trying to come in. Like, that's not a solution. Like, the Republicans don't have the solutions. They want to continue to defund the aid that is going, not the aid, but they're continuing to defund border security. Well, I mean, who's going to sign up for this job and you're not paying worth anything? Okay, she's dumb, all right?

Starting point is 00:16:42 She represents the great state of Texas. Boy, she is dumb. She's dumb. She's dumb, all right? She represents the great state of Texas. Boy, she is dumb. She's dumb. She's dumb. Here's Jayapal, who is, who is very concerned that, you know, because there's work going on. Now, remember, the whole idea is no aid for Ukraine,

Starting point is 00:17:00 no aid for Israel. Aid, this is called aid. No bombs for Israel, no bombs for Ukraine until we aid for Israel. Aid. This is called aid. No bombs for Israel. No bombs for Ukraine until we fix the border. Well, Joe better not do that. A bad clash with you get from the left if he does agree to these changes. He's going to there's going to be a lot. We have to put together a coalition that is the same coalition we delivered in 2020 for him to win the White House, for us to win the Senate and for us to take back the House.

Starting point is 00:17:27 And that coalition involves a lot of young voters. It involves a lot of immigrant voters, involves a lot of folks of color. What? Immigrant voters. Yeah. What? Yeah. Oh, she said the quiet part out loud there, didn't she?

Starting point is 00:17:43 We need immigrant voters. Yeah, oh, she said the quiet part out loud there, didn't she? We need immigrant voters. But almost as stupid as Debbie Dingle. What a great name. I like Dingle. Debbie Dingle. Dinglebat.

Starting point is 00:17:55 She wants slaves. What is your response when he says that the border is broken under President Biden? The border has been broken. It was broken under Donald Trump as well. President Biden. The border has been broken. It was broken under Donald Trump as well. Our immigration, we have needed comprehensive immigration reform for decades. Let me also say, you've got small businesses clamoring for people. We've got caregiving, which is in desperate shape.

Starting point is 00:18:17 And we need to bring some of these people. We don't want illegals. We don't want other people coming in. We don't want drugs coming across our border. We need a balanced, comprehensive immigration policy. OK, first of all, whenever someone says comprehensive immigration reform, they're full of crap. Because all you need to do is just follow the law as it is. But she literally sits there and says, we need caregivers.

Starting point is 00:18:41 We need Maria's to take care of our kids. Come on. Yeah. I mean, gardeners, gardeners. Yes, please. We need to bring that up. We need to say who's going to take care. Who's going to clean our toilets.

Starting point is 00:18:50 Yeah. One of the ladies on the view said, do we still have that clip? I wonder. Oh no. It was, I think it was Sonny Hostin who said that. Um,

Starting point is 00:19:02 I wonder. Is there a Navarro? One of the two. I wonder if we have that. i can't find it offhand anyway uh now we have uh oh this is another gem becca balance balance balance well obviously it's obvious what's going on here so we've got this situation here where uh speaker johnson is not somebody who has seriousness of purpose he He doesn't understand the stakes. When you pull out 40,000 feet, you see someone that is essentially doing Putin's bidding.

Starting point is 00:19:32 He's doing Putin's work. Okay. What? Yes, he's doing Putin's bidding. Yes. Yes. She had a good term in here. So we've got this situation here where Speaker Johnson is not somebody who has seriousness of purpose.

Starting point is 00:19:49 He doesn't have seriousness of purpose. Whatever that means. It's D.C. gobbledygook. And then, of course, another Democrat representative from the great state of Texas, Joaquin Castro. I want to speak quickly to the Democrats in the Senate and others who are considering supporting this proposal. If you do so, you will be surrendering to right wing racism. Ah, there it is. And more than that, you will be enabling it. Yes, racism.

Starting point is 00:20:20 Oh, enabling it even. Yes, racism. Now, this is this. Now, I do have an issue myself with the idea of show me your papers. And this has happened to me in Texas. We discussed it many years ago when I drove from California, when I fled California to Texas. Within 100 miles of the border, there's checkpoints. Show me your papers.

Starting point is 00:20:44 It's not cool cool i don't like the idea i think that's a bad way to um to solve this you know obviously the federal government needs to not allow people in anymore at these you know non non-approved crossings it just has to stop the the laws are on the books just stop stop, stop, stop. I don't understand. The show me your paper thing obviously didn't work. Well, no, because, well, it works to some degree, but it was still, the catch and release is the policy. That's what's changed. It's the policy, not the law.

Starting point is 00:21:22 The law is, no, you can't come in and you just can't. And if you don't have the right paperwork and by the way, you also need all kinds of vaccinations to immigrate to or at least proof of vaccinations to immigrate to America. But I know this process, but this racism part, that's the one that's catching fire. I don't watch sports ball TV, but Stephen A. Smith, I believe he's an ESPN guy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, of course, ESPN is where you go to hear about politics. Greg Abbott, you ever heard of him? He's the governor for the state of Texas. On Monday, that governor, Governor Abbott, signed a bill into law that will allow the police to arrest migrants who enter the U.S. illegally.

Starting point is 00:22:07 This law, which takes effect in March, allows any Texas law enforcement officer to arrest people who are suspected of entering the country illegally. That's what we're going to do to our Latino brothers and sisters. It's racist. Somebody needs to say it, so I'm going to say it. It's a racist ass thing to do. Suspicion? Suspect. Suspected of entering the country illegally.

Starting point is 00:22:44 How can you be suspected of entering the country illegally? So you're chilling in downtown Dallas or Houston. You're hanging out with a bunch of folks. You're speaking Spanish instead of English. Your clothes might not be a Tom Ford suit or something. You might not be wearing a Jordan sweatsuit. You might look a little poor and impoverished, a bit haggard or haphazard. Those things might, you might not look the part.

Starting point is 00:23:15 That's a suspicion. They can literally label that as suspicion to justify arresting you, not questioning you, not asking for an ID. They literally can arrest you. What a disgrace. And to think, I love this state from the standpoint that it's got no state income taxes. You got beautiful cities like Dallas and Houston and Austin, Texas. I'm looking forward to being in the city like that someday. And then I see a governor like this doing this kind of nonsense. It's a damn disgrace. It really, really is. Calm down.

Starting point is 00:23:50 Calm down. It's also quite racist. Let's make one thing clear, since you don't watch sports ball. He's a representative of the Walt Disney Company. Well, that's ESPN. ESPN is owned by Disney. Thank you, Disney, for giving us politics in the middle of what we care about, which is sports. He's racist because it's Chinese, it's Africans.

Starting point is 00:24:17 It's not just brown people coming across the border, okay? But do what you want. Those days are over. It is kind of over so so they're they're now i figured all of a sudden they hit me i'm like so of course this bill is going to be challenged of course that won't happen uh i can see where they can do the stash houses yeah that'll probably that'll probably stay okay but this is all politics and it both parties are against you and me against americans chuck schumer is like yeah we got to do this yeah we got to figure this one out yep the minute you get lindsey

Starting point is 00:24:53 graham who kicked this off saying i'm not gonna until we get some border stuff we got to get the border that was a that was a tip-off that something is up. So when I see Chuck Schumer saying, yeah, we got to do this. So now instead of just saying, adhere to the policy we already have, stop people from coming in, no, there's a bill. There's a bill. And I don't know if this is going to be the final bill, but this is what Chuck Schumer has been working on. I'm going to read from some papers that he has filed he's even put this in previous legislation

Starting point is 00:25:30 and this is what they really want this is why both parties want this somehow magically this will prohibit the secretary of homeland security from processing applications for registered provisional immigrant status, this is the RPI, until the Secretary has submitted to Congress the notice of commencement of implementation of the Comprehensive Southern Border Security Strategy and the Southern Border Fencing Strategy. So here we go. The Comprehensive Southern Border security strategy includes the minimum technological requirements specified. So they're going to do all kinds of get ready. Yeah, there's little robots.

Starting point is 00:26:13 Yeah, get ready for the money, money, money, money, money. The southern border fencing strategy will include no fewer than 700 miles of pedestrian fencing. Hello, wall. Thanks, Democrats, for fighting Trump on that. But here's the one. A mandatory employment verification system to be used by all employers to prevent unauthorized workers from attaining U.S. employment.

Starting point is 00:26:41 They've been trying this for years. This is your universal ID. Everyone has to have one. You can't work without your papers, without your, show me your official ID. This is what they want, both parties. In addition, the mandatory exit data system, another thing they've been wanting for decades. We want to know when you come in. We want to know when you come in we want to know when you leave we want to stop you from leaving you slaves these people are horrible in addition to that 38 405 new full trained full-time active duty u.s border patrol agents probably for more processing they don't care they want slaves to do to clean your toilet they want slaves to clean your toilet.

Starting point is 00:27:27 They want slaves to look after your kids, to look after their own kids. They want slaves to come in and vote, Democrat preferably, but Republicans will take it. They want you to have papers. They are just making a big deal, a big show,

Starting point is 00:27:43 and they're abusing these people who have been told to come on to America. It's great. And they've done the same thing in Europe. This thing, this is a global issue. And by the way, it's called the Migration Replacement Strategy. It was a united nations strategy we you can find it the document in the show notes implemented in 2000 written up everyone's like okay this is great replacing people in western countries with people from other countries this has always been the idea

Starting point is 00:28:18 always been the strategy and the eu oh yeah oh we're all against it. Yeah, this is no good. But now, ah, now we have a new deal for the European Union. The content of this compromise today paves the way for really a reinforcement of the controls at the borders, which means that even families comprising children could be put into closed centres in order for their asylum requests to be processed. So far, so good. The other thing is there will now be a EU-wide asylum procedure putting aside all the national asylum laws which are in effect today. lows which are taking uh which are in effect today uh the other thing is also that there will be and that is the real stepping stone of this agreement there will be a common approach on the solidarity in case of a massive influx of migrants solidarity just in case just in case there's a massive influx of migrants.

Starting point is 00:29:28 On the off chance it might happen, they're planning this. On solidarity, in case of a massive influx of migrants, there will be compulsory solidarity, meaning that EU member states, even those which have no access to an external border of the EU, will have either to taking asylum seekers or to provide with a financial contribution, a financial agreement is being reached within this compromise. So you will take migrants, every single country in the EU, doesn't matter when they come in, we are the solidarity now, or you got to pay. We have to give a pay. This is crazy. The whole world has gone nuts.

Starting point is 00:30:07 And that is a main point here. The other point being, obviously, this is a trade-in, a trade-off. The other point being that the external borders are going to be heavily reinforced. So it's come on in, everybody. Come on over. You'll be able to find lots of countries where you will be placed. This is the elites. They don't care.

Starting point is 00:30:34 The safe mobility. You know, they're not doing this in Asia by any means. No. Even though they could because China's having a population issue with the aging public. So what do they hope to accomplish? What is the end game here? Just to replace all whiteys with everything under the sun and enslave them? Because I guess the Texas Hill Country't won't do what they're told

Starting point is 00:31:07 we go back to the former new york banker every single person they can add they can print more money they want to print more money they want universal basic income and yes they want obedient workers obedient workers of course keep the cost down of everything. Keep people obedient. Keep them in limbo for as long as possible. And we beat China. We've already castrated our children. We've scared everybody with climate change. We have to keep growing, so we might as well get someone in.

Starting point is 00:31:49 change we have to keep growing so we might as well get someone in the um united nations office of uh immigration migration has a safe mobility initiative and uh they will help you they and you can sign right up on the website uh we have cubans, Haitians, Venezuelans in Colombia. If you want to travel safely and lawfully to the United States, we have a program for that. Nicaraguan, Venezuelan nationals in Costa Rica. If you got there before June 12th, we can help you move safely into the United States. Costa Rica, then we have Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, Venezuelans, Colombians in Ecuador on or before October 18th, 2023. No problem. We'll bring you in. Guatemalan nationals, if you're in Guatemala, we can help you travel safely and lawfully to the United States. These are our own people against us. Yeah. And I know it sounds counterintuitive but there they just see us all as pawns peons

Starting point is 00:32:48 you know as numbers so yes that's the idea well that's an enlightening report it's a happy day for christmas spirit your christmas spirit must be flying high so along with this of course we have to my christmas spirit is is is very high along with this comes uh you know the obvious we have to uh make everything about the the far right this is this this whole thing is is very irksome the far right everything is the far right and um let me see the uh news agents so this was the report in in the uk the news agents i like this podcast these are very well established very well known mainstream journalists. They do

Starting point is 00:33:46 their own podcast, very popular. What's the name of it? The News Agents. We've talked about it before. The News Agents. It's a huge, very popular podcast. And they're the people who have interviewed all the heads of state and they do kind of like a newsroom type thing. So now here it is. The news agents investigate the rise of the far right. The news agents investigates. It might come as no surprise, but the far right have won the elections in Italy. The prime minister of Hungary, Viktor Orban, has secured a fourth consecutive landslide election victory. Europe's nationalist wave has arrived in Spain. Marine Le Pen has perhaps never been as close to power.

Starting point is 00:34:34 The latest polls indicate. This year's poll has been shaken up by a surge in popularity of the Eurosceptic and far-right Sweden Democrat movement. Something is stirring across Europe. Slowly, then quickly. A tectonic change to our politics, to where the balance of our politics sits. From the Netherlands, to Italy, to France, to Germany, to Ireland, the UK, Hungary, beyond. Radical elements of the right, even far-right, once consigned to the fringes of political life, are growing. Number in parliaments, in power. And not just formal power, the sort of power you get

Starting point is 00:35:11 from winning elections, though they're winning plenty of those. It's the power to shape how we think, the power to channel the online world, the power to move the centre of political debate to the point where they don't even seem extreme anymore, that they've become normal or mainstream when they're neither. On this episode of the News Agents Investigates, the rise of the far right, the collapse of the center, why liberal democracy is under siege. It's under siege. How about this? How about... How is this a good podcast? It sounds like a melodramatic piece of crap. Well, it depends on who's listening to it.

Starting point is 00:35:49 Yeah. But this is the establishment. That's what you're hearing. The establishment is incensed. They're outraged. We can't believe the far right is like normal people who are like, hey, we're sick of this crap. We're sick of it. We're sick of it. We don't sick of it. We're sick of it.

Starting point is 00:36:05 We don't want it anymore. We're sick of all of you. And then you get the fringe far right. Yeah. And they'll fight it every single step of the way, of course. It's just, it's, it's. You know, these, what's once called useful idiots during the communist era, they're still out there doing the bidding of people that, whose best interest, they're not in the best interest of the people actually doing these sorts of reporting. No.

Starting point is 00:36:36 In other words, you know, you're selling yourself out. Yeah. For all practical purposes with some of this bull crap. Okay. practical purposes with some of this this bullcrap and if okay and of course when it comes to immigration we we can't leave out former president trump because remember he is hitler because because it worked so well in 2015 calling him hitler that really stopped people from voting for him so let's do it again now we do have a little twist because President Trump is now explaining. He's explaining what he's meant by poisoning of the blood.

Starting point is 00:37:08 He's changed it to poison the country. But I mean, come on, people. Former President Trump continues to use fascist language that dehumanizes immigrants. Here's what he said last night in Iowa. We have no idea who any of them are. They come from Africa. They come from Asia. They come from South America. And it's true. They're destroying the blood of our country. That's what they're doing. They're destroying our country. They don't like it when I said that. And I never read Mein Kampf. They said, oh, Hitler said that in a much

Starting point is 00:37:46 different way. You know, they're coming from all over the world, people all over the world. We have no idea. They could be healthy. They could be very unhealthy. They could bring in disease that's going to catch on in our country. But they do bring in crime. But they have them coming from all over the world. And they're destroying the blood of our country. They're destroying the fabric of our country. And we're going to have to get them out. Oh, he's a fascist. Fascist language.

Starting point is 00:38:15 Which, according to Jake Tapper, is he doing something completely different? What else works so well throughout his entire presidency? What was another thing that the media did uh russia was it russia i think it was russia let's see if we can i think russia's involved yeah i think hello i'm jake tapper in washington listen to this hello i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is frankly stunned watching the leading Republican presidential candidate, Donald Trump, quote one of our nation's foremost adversaries, Vladimir Putin, as a sort of character witness while on the stump in New Hampshire last night. Oh, no.

Starting point is 00:38:55 Vladimir Putin of Russia says that Biden's, and this is a quote, politically motivated persecution of his political rival is very good for Russia because it shows the rottenness of the American political system, which cannot pretend to teach others about democracy. One might think such a point need not be made, but. What? What? What, Jake Tapper? OK, he's right, but you don't have to say it out loud. Wow. One might think such a point need not be made. But Vladimir Putin, a former KGB official with blood on his hands, regularly sides with American.

Starting point is 00:39:39 He's a war criminal. Adversaries, both rhetorically and with arms. And who right now has at least two Americans, Evan Gershkovich and Paul Whelan, unjustly detained. Vladimir Putin is not a credible source of information about American democracy,

Starting point is 00:39:55 much less American jurisprudence. Vladimir Putin seeks to undermine the United States and its allies, whether in Europe or Asia or the Middle East. He's undermined. Despite this, or maybe by now because of it i can no longer tell mr trump stands poised to do very well in the republican iowa caucuses on january 15th in less than a month he has only expanded his lead oh unless unless he gets kicked off of the ballot in colorado this this really makes us look good internationally. This is good.

Starting point is 00:40:27 This thing. People in Colorado, are you not a little mad about this? They're a bunch of Democrats. Colorado is ridiculously blue. I have a mini cut of the Colorado. Some people talking heads discussing this. This is not a crazy thing for a democracy to do. It's very much like the reasoning of the conservative legal community.

Starting point is 00:40:53 The conservatives on the Supreme Court who usually go on and on and on about states' rights are hypocrites. He was an enemy of the Constitution. Simply a plain reading of the U.S. Constitution. This is not partisan. This is about applying historic principles. What do you say to the Republican candidates' argument that this should be, the voters should have the say and not the courts? Why are you standing with Confederates who betrayed this country. Oh, that's great. Okay, I've got a couple clips here. This is MSNBC.

Starting point is 00:41:28 Follow-up from the historic Colorado Supreme Court ruling continues this morning. One day after the panel of judges there ruled that Donald Trump was disqualified from the state's 2024 primary ballot because of his role in the January 6th attack on the Capitol, President Biden made his first remarks about the decision. In Milwaukee yesterday, the president initially refused to comment, but he did say this when asked if Trump supported an insurrection. Well, I think for some, certainly you're self-evident. Self-evident.

Starting point is 00:41:57 You saw it all. Now, whether the 14th Amendment applies, I'll let the court make that decision. But he certainly supported an insurrection. There's no question about it. No question about it. No question. None. Zero. And he seems to be doubling down on about everything. Anyway, I've got to go do this.

Starting point is 00:42:13 Anyway, I've got to go see if I can walk up the steps. From our constitutional lawyer. Technical analysis, which is always handy to have, so you can look smart at the wall or cooler. The Colorado Supreme court has stayed its decision i.e put it on ice because it knows trump will seek certiori certiori which i think is something from star trek the stay lasts through january 4th 2024 but it automatically extends if trump files a cert petition which he has said he will do. Once the petition is on file,

Starting point is 00:42:46 it remains in place until the Supreme Court of the U.S. either denies the cert or accepts the case and rules on the merits. Our constitutional lawyer says, I think Trump is likely to persuade four justices to grant cert, but who knows if he does, then the stay will remain in place as long as the case remains pending. Meanwhile, the Colorado Secretary of State must keep Trump on the primary ballot. The primary happens March 5th, 2024. So if Trump can run the clock out for two and a half months, and if the Supreme Court of the U.S. grants the cert, which seems likely, he can render the whole thing moot. The Colorado Supreme Court justices likely foresaw this and just wanted to get their thoughts on paper so again performative nothing to worry about nothing to see here but of course

Starting point is 00:43:32 we have new york trying to do this a couple other states these people are stupid i mean do they think that this will not only make people more for Trump? They don't understand the mechanism. They certainly don't. But this is kind of the arrogance of the elites in our country. But we know how to do the legal system. People in America are sick and tired of the legal system. They're sick and tired of the IRS. They're sick and tired of being badgered. Sick and tired of the legal system. They're sick and tired of the IRS.

Starting point is 00:44:07 They're sick and tired of being badgered. Sick and tired of everything. And then you're just going to get this guy back in office. And trust me, the Republicans are going to cheat like crazy this election. They're going to cheat, cheat, cheat like everyone else does. Well, everybody, both sides are going to cheat. Of course they cheat. Who's the better cheater?

Starting point is 00:44:26 I still think it's the Democrats. I think they're more competent at it. They have more machinery. They have the machine. They always call it the machine. Machine. When they're talking about the machine in Chicago, for example, always gets Democrats in.

Starting point is 00:44:37 It's a machine. It's literally a machine. It's a mechanism that works to get these votes into play. Here is, I have two clips here. An expert, an American expert, explains the 14th Amendment on France 24. The 14th Amendment was passed in the wake of the Civil War, which, as everybody more or less knows, was fought between the states in the war succession.

Starting point is 00:45:05 It's literally called in the French translation of it because half the country, more or less, the southern states wanted to secede from the Union because they objected to, notably, the institution of slavery being banned at the federal level. So after that, when the North won and the country was reunified, the South was considered traitorous. They were insurrectionists. I mean, these very people that were now seeking to come back into public office had been literally killing Union soldiers and civilians during the war, and they had been proclaiming that there should no longer be a United States, at least that they wanted to be part of, in the way that was envisioned in the

Starting point is 00:45:50 Constitution. So this was a huge issue, and the Congress led the efforts to pass a constitutional amendment, the 14th Amendment, which has several sections, but the one we're talking about here, Section 3 notably says, look, if you have... Look! official in the United States government and sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution and then violated that Constitution, you cannot return to government. So, in other words, Jefferson Davis, for example, who was the president of the Confederacy, had he had it in his mind, of course, at the time that would have been considered crazy, but say he had taken it in his head to become president of the United States and run against Lincoln or Ulysses S. Grant or whoever,

Starting point is 00:46:47 he would have been banned by this provision. And in fact, several people running for Congress were banned by it. So this is what we're talking about. This is the provision of the Constitution that's at issue here. I'm sorry. Actually, actually slightly wrong. Of course. Most of the analysis. Of course, it's slightly wrong.

Starting point is 00:47:01 Which says that you can run as the president. It's not not he's not mentioned. The president is not mentioned. Yeah. And so what could happen, you know, Jefferson Davis or whoever it was could could actually run for presidency. Here is I have one more. This is an analysis from Mike Davis. He is from the Article three project, which who knew? Who knew?

Starting point is 00:47:29 All of a sudden there's an art and he's on Steve Bannon's war room. So says enough. And they just decreed that that President Trump somehow committed an insurrection. And so therefore, they're going to throw him off the ballot. And that is not what the controlling case law says. It's very clear. If you want to disqualify an officer of the United States based upon insurrection or rebellion, you have to charge him under the federal criminal statute for insurrection or rebellion passed pursuant to

Starting point is 00:47:56 Section 3 of the 14th Amendment back in 1869. You have to have a grand jury indict, a jury unanimously convict with evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, find guilty with evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. The judge has to convict, and that conviction has to be upheld on appeal. That is the only way you can disqualify under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. The Supreme Court of the United States needs to not take Jack Smith's cert before judgment case, which is just complete nonsense. And they need to save room on their dockets for this Colorado Supreme Court case. It's all bull crap.

Starting point is 00:48:30 It's totally stupid. None of this will get through. None of this is going to hold. Going back to your wonderment as to what are these people, are they fooling themselves to think that this isn't going to backfire? people are they fooling themselves to think that this isn't going to backfire i want to play i have very short like 17 second clip which might give you some indication of where these people are at this is ari melber ah ari ari ari melber the the news model who quotes hip-hop lyrics and so just see if you can catch the little the little indicator within this very short, this is just a clip of a clip, just see if you can catch the indicator in here that these people

Starting point is 00:49:12 are delusional. Vacant. If past is prologue, then Kevin McCarthy's very recent past shows you both where the Republican Party is headed and, many people think, potentially into a wall if it has no adjustment process for what remains a very unpopular and indicted former president. I have no idea what he just said. He's just yakking away about something. But he says, he's talking about the Republican Party's direction, and he says they're hitting a wall because they're backing a very unpopular. Listen to it again.

Starting point is 00:49:48 He says a very unpopular former president. Vacant. If past is prologue, then Kevin McCarthy's very recent past shows you both where the Republican Party is headed and, many people think, potentially into a wall if it has no adjustment process for what remains a very unpopular and indicted former president and indicted you forgot to mention that and i always put that in indicted yes twice twice impeached he's he missed a whole bunch of stuff off well it was it's but it's just this delusional vision of the world that is that the entire crew at msnbc cnn and and a lot of the news media the print media in particular they're all this way and they're now they're coming out of the woodwork. I should have gotten some clips of this, but they had a classic PBS NewsHour situation where the news media had the editor of The Atlantic, and then to counterbalance him, they had New York College in New York. I can't remember the name of this journal.

Starting point is 00:51:03 Rosen was on. Oh, Jay Rosen? Jay Rosen and this guy. And there's no balance whatsoever, no other side there. And they're both advocating, which I've been seeing tons of on social media, all these journalists saying it's time, we can't be objective anymore because our democracy is at risk. We must stop this nonsense of objectivity when democracy is at risk we must stop this nonsense of the objectivity when the democracy is at risk we must we must express our opinion we talked about this in the last show

Starting point is 00:51:33 a little bit and this has gotten out of control because these people are completely insane well and and that's it they they come from a place, which was not that long ago, where, and I would say this is part of the reason for the anger with Elon Musk, they come from a place where they controlled the message. And they truly, the journalists in particular, they felt they were in control. We determine what you know. New York Times, you can see the arrogance of of the reporters what's that what's that dipsh*t's name uh lorenz taylor lorenz you know the minute someone got on her face she starts crying no because we are in control of the message you we know better we know better we're the elites and they is they're not the elites.

Starting point is 00:52:26 The journalists of this country are anything but the elites. They're just, they're... Pass-through. Useful idiots. Yeah, pass-through stooges. Stooges. Yeah, pass-through stooges. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:39 So, you know. But, of course, everything's out of control. I mean, we're all... Everything's out of control. Everything's out of control. No one's in charge anymore. It's every man for himself on X. Everybody's fighting and yelling and everyone knows better. And it's just... Because everyone thinks, oh, you know if if trump becomes president there

Starting point is 00:53:06 goes a democracy and the other side if trump becomes president he'll fix everything yeah dream on yeah dream on there will be of course no of course not and then as a as the big meme the big meme everybody there's the big meme oh yeah you know. You know what? They're all afraid. We may soon learn the identities of more people connected to Jeffrey Epstein. The federal judge has ordered the release of more than 150 names which were previously withheld. They include witnesses and victims in the civil case against Carleen Maxwell, who is currently serving 20 years in prison for being Epstein's accomplice in sex trafficking. The list also includes some of Epstein's former employees. Epstein, a wealthy and well-connected financier, was indicted in 2019 for a scheme of involving underage girls. He later took his own life in jail before he could be tried.

Starting point is 00:54:00 I wonder how many men Michelle is seeing at home right now going, oh, Lord. And women. And women. And women, too. Women as well. It's a terrible story. Now, that was interesting. That was interesting that she threw in the women thing. This is Gail. You know, because

Starting point is 00:54:16 we can probably expect Oprah to be on this list if anything ever gets published. If, if, if, if. Because Oprah was hanging out with jeffrey epstein too and then so this this colleague throws in and women gail then women just so you know and what and what is this what is this list of clients what does that mean clients doesn't mean anything you i don't know why they don't publish the list and just let let let it hit the fan and so what it doesn't prove anything i mean this is like the yeah and i'm not one here to i don't bill gates doesn't need my help to defend himself but this latest thing always

Starting point is 00:54:58 was there's a picture of him with some woman and and so i went back and i said picture with him so there was actually an article uh in a russian i think not sputnik but one of the russian magazines with bill gates with a bunch of different women many of them epstein women but it's just like i don't want to say that he did this or that and i suspect he probably had some fun with a couple of them but you can't prove anything if you're a celebrity at that if you're a multi-billionaire one of the richest people in the world people are gonna want to have their picture taken with you yes lots of them you could there's probably thousands of people that bill couldn't identify in a million years you know where he's

Starting point is 00:55:41 cozied up next to him women men ladies men, ladies, girls, everything in between. So what? You know what it shows above all, particularly this airplane. And when I hear RFK Jr., like, yeah, you know, my wife at the time, I think it was Mary, she was friends with Ghislaine. And these people, they're like, hey, oh, you need a ride? Just take my jet. When have you gotten that offer? When's the last time someone said to like, hey, oh, you need a ride? Just take my jet. When have you gotten that offer?

Starting point is 00:56:07 When's the last time someone said to you, hey, John, oh, you need to go visit? Just grab my jet, no problem. They're in a club that we are very far from. Well, I know people in that club, and I don't know that they do that. Oh, yeah, there's courtesies, like, because jets are... I think at the high end, if you have a jet and I have a jet...

Starting point is 00:56:30 Yeah, then you swap each other's jets. It's like the people who go... A friend of mine is involved in one of these kind of circles where people... Oh, come on over. Come to the mansion out at the Hampsteads. We got a room for you. You can stay for a month. I'll send the jet.

Starting point is 00:56:46 Yeah, send the jet. Now, that's a little, okay. Well, we're definitely not in that category. No, we're not. We're not in the mansion, stay at the mansion category either. No, no. You want to stay at the house maybe for a day. Can't you find a hotel or something nearby?

Starting point is 00:57:01 You wouldn't even let me see your office when I came to visit. No, well, the office is off limits. Off limits. Yeah. So that's kind of. I don't want anyone putting a bug in this office. That's the reason. That's.

Starting point is 00:57:14 Oh, yeah. But you don't trust me, your partner for 16 years. Yeah. You know, you got to go to the line somewhere. Meanwhile, no one talks about the FDIC's parties. You've been following that story which one that the fdic um under leadership of chairman grunberg now this does go back a couple of years um but in we talk about fdic probably some time ago? Well, new reports of misconduct.

Starting point is 00:57:46 In 2020, the agency's inspector general published a report of sexual harassment that revealed that at least 191 FDIC employees experienced sexual harassment between January of 2015 and April of 2019. This included, let me see, I have some of these here. This included, let me see, I have some of these here. They had parties and people be groping each other. Don't go to the party. Yeah, but it's the FDIC. This is a government agency. It makes no sense. Well, it's like the Napolitano's operation, which had a bunch of sexual harassment for the women.

Starting point is 00:58:22 Against men. Yeah. And against the other women Against men. Yeah. And against the other women. Yeah. Yeah. We're just. Well, these people are bored. Let's face it.

Starting point is 00:58:32 Yes. Parties invite parties invite this sort of behavior. I hate to tell you. Meanwhile, X X is under investigation. Elon Musk's social media platform, X, the former Twitter, is now under investigation by the European Union. The EU says it's focused on whether the company has done enough to stop the spread of illegal content. Illegal! It's the first such investigation under new regulations aimed at hate speech and misinformation.

Starting point is 00:59:01 Yes. Europe is going well, everybody. speech and misinformation yes europe is going well everybody the hate speech and misinformation is on deck in europe i gotta get my daughter out of there i'm gonna have to talk to her about this you really gotta get out of there enjoy living in rotterdam it's a you know a nice country a beautiful place oh you mean where the where they where they had terrorists they arrested ready to kill Jews? That Rotterdam? They have terrorists arrested ready to kill Jews in this country. Well, there you go.

Starting point is 00:59:39 Don't move it in New York, whatever you do. We should probably talk about that for a second here. Tonight, the Israeli military says the three hostages who were mistakenly killed by Israeli forces had escaped from Hamas five days earlier after Israeli soldiers killed their captors in a firefight. The army says they've since analyzed a camera on a military dog at the scene,

Starting point is 01:00:02 which recorded the hostages' voices. They were later mistaken. They had a camera on a military dog at the scene which recorded the hostages they were later mistaken they had a camera on a military dog yeah if i'm working the field and i got a camera on me i say what where's the dog let's put the camera on the dog i don't need to have this camera on me here phoebe you go check it out it's a camera on a military dog at the scene which recorded the hostages voices they were later mistakenly shot by Israeli soldiers while holding a white flag. Their deaths increasing the pressure in Israel to pause the fighting and strike a deal to get the rest of the hostages out. The president today. We're pushing it. There's no expectation at this point, but we are pushing it. Secretary of State Tony Blinken

Starting point is 01:00:41 today blaming Hamas. I hear virtually no one saying, demanding of Hamas that it stop hiding behind civilians, that it lay down its arms, that it surrender. This is over tomorrow. No. If Hamas does that. Prime Minister Netanyahu vowing to continue the war until Hamas is eliminated. Israel is now allowing aid into Gaza through a second crossing, but the U.S. and aid groups say it's not nearly enough. I'm going

Starting point is 01:01:12 to give everybody the sad truth of what's happening here. All this talk about pause and ceasefire and Hamas has to say it. No. Israel, the IDF, they're going to rublize the entire gaza all of it and when they're done with that they're going to go and rublize in the north for hezbollah they're not stopping all of this is just it's just fodder to keep everybody talking and hoping and walking around with flags but they're going it's. They are not going to stop. I mean, I have lots of acquaintances and friends in Israel. You know, the parents of those basically young men who were killed, they're out there saying, you know, it's horrible, but we don't blame the IDF.

Starting point is 01:02:01 We understand what happened, and you can come come to my house and i'll give you dinner at any point they the people are so fed up with this they want they want what netanyahu is doing they want it it's then it's not going to stop well there's a lot of protesting going on in israel so i think there's a divided population as to some want it some don't uh political protests yeah against netanyahu yeah yeah well well let's go to that brings us as we're discussing this area i do want to discuss a little bit about the hoothies yes yeah this is this is heating up i'm liking it so there's no better time well and i have my certain complaints of course yes obviously so i do have a three by three. Oh, you want to do that first?

Starting point is 01:02:48 Yeah, we're off to bat. And now it's time for three by three. Experiment by Jesse Dean. Comparing stories from ABC, CBS and NBC. The never ending three by three. That's right. He's got the stories, the headlines of the big three networks. This is where we break it down.

Starting point is 01:03:05 We see what the script is and we find out what is bull and what is more bully. Here we go with the three-by-three. You know, the funny thing is you can really see the script in this group of three because it's as if they're in the same newsroom. The structure of the three stories is almost identical, and it makes no sense. And let's start with Richard Engel at NBC. The cargo giant Maersk joined BP in halting traffic through the Red Sea in response to attacks by the Iranian-backed Yemeni militia known as the Houthis, who have hijacked and fired on several ships. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in Bahrain today, home of the U.S. Fifth Fleet, announced the formation of a 10-nation

Starting point is 01:03:46 coalition to defend the Red Sea. But the Houthis vow to keep attacking ships until Israel ends its blockade of Gaza. The showdown sending oil prices up again today. While the Palestinian Islamic Jihad tonight put out a video of two Israeli men it's holding hostage. Yesterday, Hamas released a video of three elderly hostages taken under duress. The Gaza Strip is at a breaking point as Israel attacks Hamas. Aid groups say 2.3 million Palestinians are paying an unbearable price. The World Health Organization today described the situation in Gaza's hospitals as beyond belief and unconscionable. Richard, what do we know about where the ceasefire

Starting point is 01:04:32 talks stand right now? They're fragilister, but advancing with Qatar reporting progress and multiple reports that they'll continue tomorrow in Egypt. Uh-huh. Okay, so here's the structure. We have the Houthis stopping the attacking and just attacking and then screwing up the Red Sea transport. And then for some reason, unknown to me, they jumped to the hostages. And then they finished the story with the discussion of the whole. There's a mishmash report. And in there somewhere, there was the Bahrain. I didn't realize that we kept our ships there in Bahrain.

Starting point is 01:05:11 So that's a little point that will show up in another report. So let's go to let's move on to ABC with, I'd say, the report from the same newsroom. Tonight, we're also following the new attacks. Iranian-backed militants taking aim yet again on commercial ships in the Red Sea. It comes just hours after the U.S. announced it was now leading an international naval task force with several nations. Tonight, Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen launching two more attacks on commercial ships in the Red Sea, just as the U.S. announced a naval task force to counter the threat. The U.S. joining nine countries to escort vessels passing through the crucial trade route

Starting point is 01:05:52 after major companies, including oil giant BP, paused operations. Bottom line is, these attacks have to stop. They need to stop. They're unacceptable. The United States, our allies and our partners, will do what we have to do to counter these threats and to protect these ships. But the Houthis vowing further attacks in retaliation for Israel's war in Gaza. And David, another hostage video released tonight. These images showing Gaddi Moses and Elad Katia, who were kidnapped on October 7th.

Starting point is 01:06:20 And tonight, Prime Minister Netanyahu met with hostage families, saying their release is his highest mission. Hmm. So there we go again. The same interesting report goes from the Houthis to, oh, why did you stop shooting at us to the hostages? Yeah. So, OK, whatever. Well, this is meant to meant to focus you on the on the like. Well, you know, I don't know what to be honest about it's so unfocused itself i don't see how i can make anyone focus on anything

Starting point is 01:06:50 so here we go to cbs with another and they're always a little bit they always give a little more twist they got a little more information than the other networks some of the world's biggest shipping and oil companies are now rerouting their vessels away from the Red Sea after brazen attacks like this one by Iranian-backed Houthi rebels. A dozen ships attacked in just the past month. The Navy destroyer USS Carney has been shooting down drones and missiles launched from Houthi-controlled territory in Yemen in support of Palestinians in the Gaza war. 10 to 15 percent of global trade normally passes through, worth an estimated one trillion dollars. Fearing Houthi attacks, ships are turning

Starting point is 01:07:32 off transponders, hiring armed guards, and several companies are sailing around Africa, a pain consumers will feel. We've launched Operation Prosperity Guardian guardian in the region defense secretary who makes up these code names this is a dumb one prosperity guardian call us call us people we'll fix you up consumers will feel we've launched operation prosperity guardian can we come up with a better name, John? Like anything but this. Like hell to the Houthis. You know, hellfire on Houthis.

Starting point is 01:08:14 Anything but Prosperity Guardian. Consumers will feel. We've launched Operation Prosperity Guardian. In the region, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced a new task force to try to stop Houthi attacks, a 10-country military alliance with the intent to grow. So far, the only country from the Middle East to sign on is the tiny nation of Bahrain. In Gaza, Israel's bombardment continues, with nearly 20,000 people now killed, says Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry. And just hours ago, militants in Gaza released two more videos of hostages, and this is the second such release in two days. That comes as leaders from both Israel and Hamas are signaling

Starting point is 01:08:54 they are open to a new pause and a new hostage release deal. Yeah, I don't buy it. So we have the same exact structure with all three stories, as if they're all working together. So there's an overlord telling you how to do these things, obviously. And they're doing a poor job, by the way. Wait, you mean the media is corrupt? And so you have, and there's the mention of Bahrain, which was where we keep our ships.

Starting point is 01:09:19 So yeah, they're going to join in because we give a lot of money to host our Navy. So they're on board. But here's a couple of things that crop up. By the way, I have one more clip. Here's what shows up in my mind. One, Paul Reynes is the only one who joins in with kind of a program to stop the Houthis. What about Saudi Arabia? They're at war with the Houthis.

Starting point is 01:09:43 Why aren't they in on this? Simple question. So, no, no, we're not. No, no. The second thing is, again, I'll say it again. I said on every show, we have satellites. There's no clouds over Yemen. We have satellites right over showing exactly where these missiles are coming from.

Starting point is 01:10:03 We could bomb the crap out of those sites. And end it at that because we're bombing Somalia as we speak. Well, but how about this? Maybe you want the oil price to go up a little bit. Do you think that might be part of it? I have a feeling. The oil price did go up.

Starting point is 01:10:19 It hasn't gone up for any other reason. So there's something, you know, there might be something to that. They're allowing, in other words, the point is they're allowing this. This is being allowed. There's no way if they didn't want it to happen that they would just not bomb the crap out of Yemen. We bomb everybody else. Yeah, I know, but no. Not these guys.

Starting point is 01:10:43 There's two things they can do. One, they're allowing it. Two, it's giving some of the destroyers and some of our ships target practice so we can see what it takes to shoot down these drones coming over. Oh, one of the trolls had a good point. Get the oil price all jacked up, then have Joe come out and mumble something, and then let it go down. Well, it's going to go down anyway.

Starting point is 01:11:05 Yeah, but Joe. Joe's going to go down anyway. Yeah, Joe. Joe's going to do it. Joe. Well, no, he's not, but it's all theater. The idea is he mumbles something. Yeah, he mumbles something. And then the social media goes nuts. Joe saved us.

Starting point is 01:11:18 So I do have one report that kind of is probably more valuable than those three duplicate reports on three exact same network. This is the Houthi threat. This is NTD. The leader of the Yemeni Houthis vows to retaliate if Washington takes aim at Yemen. This is as the U.S. is spearheading a multinational coalition to interrupt Houthi attacks against cargo ships passing through the Red Sea. Any American targeting our country will be targeted by us and we will make American battleships, interests and navigation a target for our missiles, drones and military operations. The Iran-backed group has been escalating missile strikes against vessels

Starting point is 01:12:06 sailing through the Red Sea in an attempt to show support for Hamas terrorists amid the Israel-Hamas war. Those strikes are forcing ships to either cancel transit or reroute to Africa, which is causing gas and shipping prices to rise. The U.S.-led security pact, joined by nine other countries, plans to ramp up patrol in the Red Sea to deter and respond to future Houthi attacks. So all of these reports include the one name which I've been tracking, which is Iran. Or Iran. And so what I'm most curious about is, is this going to be the precursor? Is this, excuse me, time to go on bomb bomb bomb bomb

Starting point is 01:12:47 bomb iran and i can tell you no and and the reason i know is because general frank mckenzie came on the pbs news hour to discuss the red sea crisis we return now to the conflict in the middle east and rising tensions in the red sea where about 12 percent of the world's global trade passes through, and where Houthi militias in Yemen have been attacking ships. The Houthis say their attacks are in support of the Palestinians. Yesterday, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced a new multinational effort to protect ships in the region. But how will that work? For that, we turn to former commander of U.S. forces in the region. But how will that work? For that,

Starting point is 01:13:25 we turn to former commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, retired General Frank McKenzie. He's now the executive director of the Global and National Security Institute at the University of South Florida. Yeah, beautiful. We got a spokeshole, everybody. So explain, who are these Houthis? Help our audience understand first, who are the Houthis and why exactly are they attacking commercial ships? The Houthis are a proxy of Iran, and they seized governmental control in a coup in Yemen several years ago. They've been largely responsible for the mass starvation in the country. And with Iran, they pursue a policy for the destruction of Israel.

Starting point is 01:13:59 They're not completely under the direct control of Iran, but Iran provides their equipment, provides their resourcing, and all their supplies. But they're not directly at the beck and call of Iran in this matter. The Houthis have wanted to attack Israel. It's very hard for them to range Israel proper. So they've settled on instead trying to cut off communication of maritime shipping in the Bab el-Mandeb area, down at the southern end of the Red Sea. The more I hear these people talk about the Houthis, the more I think they work for us. I mean, this whole thing stinks to high hell. Let's talk

Starting point is 01:14:31 about the task force. And as we mentioned, the U.S. announced this creation of this multinational task force to protect commercial traffic through the Red Sea. Why is it called a task force? The fact that they call it a task force is like lame. You know, how about attack force or defense force? Defense force is it called a task force the fact that they called a task force is like blame you know how about attack force or defense force defense force would be better anything but task force that's

Starting point is 01:14:52 something the marketing department does in your company yeah task force we have tax for it how exactly will that work and in your estimation will it be enough to deter future attacks the ships will be important we will provide ships our? The ships will be important. We will provide ships, our friends and partners will provide ships, and those warships that will be out there shepherding the merchant vessels through will be very important. But what will be equally important will be the intelligence architecture that we put over the Babel-Mendad. You need to see what's going on. You do that through manned patrol aircraft, unmanned aircraft, drones, all kinds of other intelligence gathering systems to actually see what the Houthis are up to. Money, money, money, money. And this also has another effect. We know

Starting point is 01:15:34 for many years of dealing with Iran, they don't like to be observed. It can have a deterring effect. In 2019, our heavy use of ISR, intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets around the Strait of Hormuz prevented the Iranians from carrying out nefarious attacks. May or may not be enough with the Houthis. They tend to be very aggressive. I think at some point we're probably going to have to consider. What's that? They've been at war for, I don't know, what is it, 10 years now in Saudi Arabia. This is bull crap.

Starting point is 01:16:05 You're right. This is a crock of crap from the get-go, and they're doing this. And by the way, no one's going to talk about this. I had a clip of it, but I didn't bring it along, which is the price of insurance for the ships going through the Red Sea has gone up tenfold to the point where this never mentioned to the point where it's actually still super expensive to drive all the way around the African tip, but cheaper to do that than pay for the insurance. And so nobody's going through the Red Sea. This is a set

Starting point is 01:16:39 definitely a way to jack up prices. Yes. And to maybe, oh, well, it's inflation, but that's because of the Houthis. Something like that. Yeah. Houthi inflation. Houthi inflation. Houthi. No one's going to. That's too hard to sell.

Starting point is 01:16:56 I'm not going to go that far. Well, they'll call it supply chain. It's an idiotic name for an organization to begin with. But they'll call it a supply chain. Here. What's the future of big business? BP is now the latest company to announce it's going to be pausing shipments through the Red Sea, as we mentioned, with so much global trade going through that area.

Starting point is 01:17:14 What does it mean for the future of big business? Well, I think if we're unable to reestablish and reassert the right of free passage here and keep the Houthis from making these attacks, everything's going to slow down. It's 14 more days to go around Africa to come up either east or west, and that will tend to exert greater pressure on the market, probably the energy market first, but other markets as well. So it's in everyone's interest. Every nation that moves on the global commons actually has an interest in ensuring

Starting point is 01:17:42 that the Bab el-Mendab is going to be open for the right of free passage of ships. The Houthi price hike. You never know. Final clip here. Talk to us about the region. I mean, we'd have to understand the region. What's going on in the region? As you mentioned, the Houthis are an Iranian proxy. What does all of this suggest about the potential for Israel's war against Hamas to escalate into a wider regional conflict? So I think the odds of the escalation beyond Gaza are actually fairly small right now. Lebanese Hezbollah has not chosen to enter the fray, despite the fact they're exchanging low levels of fire with Israel on its northern border. Iran has not chosen to directly attack Israel. Those are important things that have perhaps been overlooked. Hamas is not getting a lot of support from those two entities.

Starting point is 01:18:29 Now, the Houthis are. But again, as I said, the Houthis have limited ability, actually, to strike Israel. They're reduced to carrying out attacks down around the Bab el-Mandeb. And they are doing that. But I believe that's a problem we can solve. We may need to be a little more aggressive about it than we've been to date. But I believe that's a problem we can solve. We may need to be a little more aggressive about it than we've been to date, but I believe that's a solvable problem. But the larger issue is I don't think it leads to escalation.

Starting point is 01:18:52 Okay, so no escalation. It's a scam, obviously. You know, the idea that the Houthis might be working on our behalf is an interesting one since, you know, people aren't getting killed left and right. But the shipping has been stopped. Smart money goes around. But wouldn't it make sense since we had to sell all the, well, we sold all of that war machine material and we paid for a lot of the defense of Saudi Arabia in Yemen,

Starting point is 01:19:20 of the Touthis and the Houthis. So the Houthis were hitting our allies and you know we need war there so that we can make more war stuff and now it's just more war it's like oh look there's another opportunity so yeah it's all an opportunity everything's an opportunity why wouldn't you have those guys be on our payroll hey crank it up boys and i remain the And I remain, when I saw them land on that ship with the... The Houthi Banderas? Yeah, with the GoPros. With the body cams that are coming in there.

Starting point is 01:19:53 Yeah, the body cams, the first-person shooter view. It looks like a stage. They got the helicopter landing and everyone jumping up. That was very staged. That was production. Edited, nicely put together, put it out there. Why didn't we do anything about it? The helicopter flying around by itself, nobody cares.

Starting point is 01:20:12 We got all kinds of gunships and everything in between and it's floating around and a helicopter goes flying through. The Houthi heli is on the loose. No worries, let it go. It doesn't make any sense at all. And we didn't know. Oh, we didn't even see it. You know, we got satellites all over the place.

Starting point is 01:20:30 Give me a break. You know, one of Tina's friends, you know, she listens to No Agenda. And her, I think, millennial daughter. I have a quote. daughter i have a quote uh yeah i might my daughter lecturing me about palestine told me that john and adam can afford not to take sides because they're old white men i'm like what does that even mean i don't understand because you know we don't have to worry about it uh you know but yeah here's something hello children no it's no that had wait wait before you finish that thought that had to be inculcated because uh there has to be

Starting point is 01:21:14 some rationale that these kids are fed because that sounds like something you'd say without thinking in other words you were brainwashed into saying that. So it's like because there's no thought in a statement like that. It's part of colonialism, I think. OK, well, yeah, that's what it is. I've always been a colonialist. That's right. You have a very small colony of sanity in the Berkeley area. Meanwhile, it has him.

Starting point is 01:21:44 He's having another meeting in February at the Mallard Club. I'd love to have some protests for what's happening in the Congo. Three? No. Well, wait, finish your thought on the girl. No, that's all the thought I have.

Starting point is 01:22:00 It's stupidity. It's been indoctrinated. And so the finishing of the thought is, well, this. Security and logistical challenges in Congo caused disruptions in today's presidential election. Almost 44 million people were expected to vote amid chaotic conditions. Crowds grew agitated after poll openings were delayed for hours in the capital city of Kinshasa. And smudged ink on voting cards slowed the process. As a result, balloting will be extended until tomorrow.

Starting point is 01:22:29 So the New York Times has a big article today called The Overlooked Crisis in Congo. We live in war. How many people do you think have been killed in the past few years in Congo? Is this the Democratic Republic of the Congo? Yes. I would say how many people in the past year?

Starting point is 01:22:53 No, the past couple of years. This has been going on for a few years. I would say 100,000. Six million. Well, where's the protests? 6 million, that's three times the population of Gaza. 6 million.

Starting point is 01:23:13 Now lurching into a volatile new phase. No one cares. You know why? They're black. Racists. That's why. I bet you no one could identify a Congo flag. No, but they sure know what a palestine flag looks like yeah it's it's that's that's what gets my goat it's like please be quiet you don't care about people you've been programmed to say something that's all that's happening yeah they couldn't identify half these places on a map

Starting point is 01:23:46 no well there's that the congo is actually pretty easy to find it's big just point to the middle of africa you pretty much will hit it that's about it um now i have a couple of we're on international stuff i have. I've got a new story category. Oh, okay. I call it WTF News. We need a jingle. We need a jingle. WTF News refers to, I have two stories today, actually.

Starting point is 01:24:16 One of them's not as good as the other. But WTF News, these are stories that you hear them and you wonder, did you know this in the least? This is like, again, from NTD, because they will report on stuff that, why isn't this on the networks?

Starting point is 01:24:33 On our networks, you mean? Yeah, yeah. Okay, we'll find out as soon as we get to it. Which story? Venezuela. Turning our attention now to South America, Venezuela is freeing 10 jailed Americans in exchange for the release of Colombian businessman Alex Saab. He was arrested on a U.S.

Starting point is 01:24:52 warrant back in 2020 for funneling some $350 million from a Venezuelan housing program. Saab is a close ally of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. U.S. officials often refer to him as Maduro's bag man. As for the released Americans, according to the White House, six among the 10 were wrongfully detained by the socialist regime. Venezuela will free at least 20 Venezuelans as well, including political prisoners. As part of the agreement, Venezuela will also extradite Leonard Francis, a defense contractor known as Fat Leonard, who orchestrated part of the agreement, Venezuela will also extradite Leonard Francis, a defense contractor known as Fat Leonard, who orchestrated one of the largest bribery schemes in the history of the U.S. military. The scandal took down nearly two dozen Navy officials. Francis fled the U.S.

Starting point is 01:25:38 ahead of his scheduled sentencing last year and has since stayed in South America. It's interesting. I had this story. Fat Leonard? Fat Leonard. Fat Leonard? Yeah, I had the Fat Leonard story. And here's the question I have.

Starting point is 01:25:53 And we said we had an exchange. We exchanged prisoners. Yeah. And my question is, why are we giving special preferential treatment to Venezuelan illegal immigrants to give them work permits when we have this Fat Leonard deal going on? Was that part of the deal? Hey, you know what? You give us Fat Leonard and we'll have, you know, we'll give 15,000 Venezuelans who have crossed over illegally, we'll give them work permits. That has to be part of it. That deal has to be going on,

Starting point is 01:26:27 and I think some of the political prisoners will be coming up here too, I'm sure of it. And this Fat Leonard story, though, about taking down like 20 naval executives, and it's the biggest bribery scandal in the history of the United States, and I never heard of Fat Leonard. How does that happen with our news media? Seems to me that Fat Leonard needs to be shut up is what's going on.

Starting point is 01:26:51 We need to get that guy back here so we can like stifle him. Yeah, I think Fat Leonard's a problem. Fat Leonard. Fat Leonard. Joe Title. Writing it down as we speak okay um i have a little bit of ai news which i'd like to share i have a follow-up clip because i have some thoughts on ai too because i we're at odds somewhat with insofar as ai is

Starting point is 01:27:22 concerned even though we have a great ai clip at the end of the show mix at least in my opinion oh yes it's not ai that's actually one of our guys doing that voice well it's might as well be ai no it's the way i see it that is a talented person yeah it's a talented person okay do you want to do you have something you want to play well i want to i want you to play yours first and then i'll play my blink flip well i have i have a whole setup okay well let me just play this this was a fake video that i thought was hilarious this one's got a big scandal at all i forgot it's nbc or somebody you've got to take their suing they sued over it and the whole thing is a fake video of one of their anchors, Garrett Hogg.

Starting point is 01:28:10 This is good. And welcome to a special edition of Meet the Press Now, coming to you live from beautiful Miami, Florida, as we count down to the third Republican presidential debate hosted by NBC News. I'm Garrett Haik, live from our NBC News debate hall spin room, where we are just hours away from five Republican candidates taking the stage. Tonight, it's arguably a game of survival, as the field faces major questions about the state of their own campaigns and the state of this race, with frontrunner Donald Trump maintaining his commanding lead and, once again, skipping the contest. This is Ron DeSantis, an establishment rhino that wears insoles in his

Starting point is 01:28:46 boots in order to look taller. And this is Nikki Haley. Nobody really gives a sh*t about Nikki Haley. This guy is probably just a stagehand. Who the f*ck invited this guy? And this guy is probably just delivering pizzas. Anyway, nobody cares about these bullsh*t rhino debates, especially when you know that Donald Trump is going to kick some ass tonight. So they have Trump at the end, of course. That's the payoff. That's the joke. I'm seeing this as the way Trump used Twitter in 2016.

Starting point is 01:29:31 Used social media. I don't know who gives him these ideas, but this is the Trump campaign using AI and doing crazy videos like this thing. People can track it down. Most of the copies have been taken down

Starting point is 01:29:47 because NBC is so irked about it. They sued them and they sued the Trump campaign and they pulled it, but it's out there. And it's funny to watch because when they say, this guy's delivering pizza and they show Vivek. And they show, I don't know who this guy is, like maybe a janitor, and that was Scott.

Starting point is 01:30:09 And it was very, very insulting and funny. But this is the whole point, is AI, and you could have done it, I mean, no one knows Garrett Haig, really. I mean, they could have done it with a voice actor, but okay, we'll call it AI, fine. That's the business model. That's all there is.

Starting point is 01:30:28 People are afraid of the, oh, AI is going to do all that. People are going to fall for the fake. No, no, it's used for humor. It's used for comedy. I agree with you. This is, nobody's falling for this. No. And the fact that NBC sued him when you could say it was a parody, you could have countersued

Starting point is 01:30:44 and kept it up, but it's could have countersued and kept it up. But it's better to be sued and take it down. That's what you want. That's more publicity. So it makes it look better. And then people go seek it out because I had to do that. And, you know, it took some time. I found it.

Starting point is 01:30:57 And then you get to watch it and you crack up and you know these guys are all freaked out about it. This is totally AI is just for for humor and it's very good at it ai is for humor but to end we have some humor coming up but first we need to have some teeth put behind the executive order that president biden put in place because ai is so dangerous it's dangerous it's racist is what it is. So we found a case. Boy, I'm so happy we can prove that we need these laws for AI. Earlier today, big news from the FTC, or Federal Trade Commission, as it banned Rite Aid from using facial recognition technology in its stores for five years.

Starting point is 01:31:41 Why? Well, according to the FTC... Why? Don't you hate it when they do that? Why? Why? Why? Why. Why? Well, according to the FTC. Don't you hate it when they do that? Why? Why? Why? Why?

Starting point is 01:31:49 Why? Well, according to the. You know, if you leave that out, if you leave the why out, it actually flows better. No, but it's a thing. It's like people do that. Why? Well, I'm going to educate you. Well, according to the FTC, the drugstore giant secretly used it for nearly a decade for surveillance

Starting point is 01:32:06 purposes, but they wrongly accused many of shoplifting in the process, and they falsely accused the people that they did were more likely to be people of color or women. In a statement, Rydate wrote that, quote, we are pleased to reach an agreement with the FTC and put this matter behind us.

Starting point is 01:32:22 However, we fundamentally disagree with the facial recognition allegations in the agency's complaint. Let's bring in NBC News technology correspondent, Jake Ward. Jake Ward. Have you ever come across Jake Ward? He's the NBC technology correspondent. Surely you've heard of Jake Ward.

Starting point is 01:32:38 No. So Jake Ward's going to explain, he's going to explain to us, and I like this. I like that, hey, you know what? Our AI is identifying chicks and blacks. They are thieving. Jake, obviously, a lot of questions people are probably wondering around this, like what are the laws that regulate facial recognition?

Starting point is 01:33:00 But also to the point that's being made here in 2019 federal agency found that asian and black individuals were up to 100 times more likely to be misidentified so has the technology also evolved since then so this this is the only thing they have on ai this they're going to go after everything they can with this one point it's racist because old white men put it together it's racist well sam you know the technology has evolved but unfortunately the use of it seems to have degraded at least in right aids case i mean right that is the allegation that ftc is is basically coming there that's the is the ftc are they uh do they are they a judicial agency do they have the right to do this i think so okay commission. Commission is coming to

Starting point is 01:33:47 here. You know, basically, if you walked into a right aid in a large urban center, a Baltimore, a Philadelphia, San Francisco, between 2012 and 2020, you were picked up by this facial recognition system. And I've been speaking with people. How many white people are in right aid in Baltimore? Just just just a question offhand, you know, it was like, Baltimore is pretty black. It's a very black area. We're close to this project and they say, you know, initially the idea was that people would then come to you having, you know, matched your photo to a very high-tech database of other repeat shoplifters. And then the idea was that the staff member would somehow come over and just say, excuse me, sir, may I help you? And by being kind of greeted in that very polite, high touch way, you'd be embarrassed and you'd leave. That was sort of going to be the

Starting point is 01:34:34 original idea. What? Yeah, you'd be embarrassed and kind of leave like, oh, I didn't steal anything. You'd be embarrassed. AI is embarrassed. You'd be embarrassed by somebody coming over and saying, can I help you? That happens all the time. But the years sam i mean you know right the money paid to retail clerks has stayed the same while their responsibilities have gone up and up and up right morale staffing problems the rest of it mean what in an environment of of really you know dysfunctional a really dysfunctional market you suddenly have employees trying to deal with a lot of shoplifting. Oh, the poor employees. And not in a sensitive way. And it turns out

Starting point is 01:35:10 not in a way where you could rely on the technology. The FTC says that thousands of people were falsely identified as shoplifting. This report, he's just rambling. He's not telling us anything. Even though, you know, the technology, in theory, can be better. The people here were not trained.

Starting point is 01:35:25 They would haul people out of line, embarrass them in front of their colleagues, their families, their friends. Embarrassing. All of it suggesting that, you know, this high-minded ambition that Rite Aid and many other stores seem to have had with facial recognition did not work out such that the FTC has now banned that company from using it for five years. Meanwhile, the TSA uses that every single day. When you go to the airport, they're scanning your face. They're approving you based upon facial recognition. Airlines are checking you in automatically just by looking at a camera. No report on that, Jake Ward. So the enforcement obviously is a challenge to put it mildly. I'm also wondering, Jake, companies like Rite Aid. I mean, we talked about the fact this was done secretly,

Starting point is 01:36:03 at least those are the allegations from the FTC. Do you have to disclose if you're using this kind of technology? Ah, yes, you do now. And that is what is so interesting. I mean, the reason that this is such a big deal in the tech world is this is the FTC. I've been speaking to sources close to that agency, and they say that this is part of the FTC's effort to try to stop the large-scale practice of essentially experimenting on all of us when it comes to big data. Except the government wants to do it at the airport. And that's not just going to be facial recognition systems. It's going to be things like AI, right? AI, right.

Starting point is 01:36:38 The laws have basically permitted people to collect all kinds of data on all of us and experiment in the wild on the kind of conclusions you can reach using that stuff. The FTC is saying no more. In this case, one of the punishments being levied against Rite Aid is they have to delete the database that they had assembled across stores across the nation. They don't get to just sort of, you know, make a backup, then delete it or try again. That is a big cost to any kind of tech driven company you know in addition they basically say that you know this kind of new standard that you're going to have to really prove that this thing works on an ongoing basis is also going to apply get this

Starting point is 01:37:15 guy the hook all right he's done all right jesus on and on and on about nothing it was so what all right now we get to the information, the Info Mavericks. The Info Mavericks. There was a big Info Maverick meeting at Turning Point USA. Oh, your buddies. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The Info Maverick Club.

Starting point is 01:37:36 The Info Maverick Club. In this case, at Turning Point USA, on stage, a live Pool Boy podcast with our hero, the pool boy, along with Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, James O'Keefe. I mean, this is the creme de la creme of the info mavericks. And let's hear how afraid they are of AI and how

Starting point is 01:37:58 AI is going to eat the world. We may be past the event horizon, the point at which the pull towards AI is so great, there's no backing away from it. We're being past the event horizon, the point at which the pull towards AI is so great, there's no backing away from it. We're being sucked in faster and faster. I think you can go into it with these neural nets. A human that understands the code can go into the system, be in the virtual realm, and reverse

Starting point is 01:38:14 engineer the code. You can see what's happening and how it's being written in real time and change your mind. It's true. Stay with it, John. It gets better. I would just do it with a keyboard, man. I'm not going into that thing.

Starting point is 01:38:25 But listen, this is Elon Musk's argument. We must integrate with the machine lest we get a Terminator-like scenario. Does anyone sincerely think this is going to end well? I mean, honestly. No, I admit it. But listen, this is the scary thing. This is what people need to understand

Starting point is 01:38:36 about the singularity event. When AI... Hold on. This is what people need to understand. I'm the pool boy. This is what people need to understand. I'm going to tell you right now what's going to go on. You're going to understand this.

Starting point is 01:38:45 It's very important. It's very important. This is the scary thing. This is what people need to understand. I'm the pool boy. This is what people understand. I'm going to tell you right now what's going to go on. You're going to understand this. It's very important. It's very important. This is the scary thing. This is what people need to understand about the singularity event. When AI, when it actually turns on, when we reach artificial general intelligence. We might be there. And we might be there and just not know it.

Starting point is 01:39:03 It's a point at which the machine itself exponentially improves itself. So if the rate of growth for the computer systems that we're building is, say, Moore's Law, it doubles every two years. That's not Moore's Law. It doubles every two years. We're building is, say, Moore's Law. It doubles every two years. Once we reach the point of AI singularity, or I guess you could call it artificial general intelligence, it's just straight to the top.

Starting point is 01:39:26 Right up to the point of near infinity where this machine is improving itself, learning faster and faster and calculating faster, and then it's beyond our comprehension. Yes. Wow, he saw the movie Colossus, the Forbin Project recently. That's exactly what he described. Oh, man. Oh, yes. We're all going to die. Colossus, the Forbin Project.

Starting point is 01:39:51 Go check it out, people. We've talked about it. I've watched it. You can get it on YouTube. It's fantastic. And it's old. It's from the 60s, I think. Isn't it 70s?

Starting point is 01:40:01 Meanwhile, guys on Emacs doing Lisp rolling their eyes. Yeah. Well, my thing in there is you're going to get a neural net, which is going to go and kind of disassemble the code somehow. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:40:18 And then you're going to be able to go in there because you've disassembled the code with a neural net and then you can fool around. This is nuts. These people are no good for your for your mental health nor are the next people now this is i'm gonna bring in a professor now um now galloway you're so close so close it is from the pivot show which i might point out is the award-winning technology podcast award-winning i've never heard him talk about technology it's the award-winning technology podcast and they have a bunch of predictions for 2024 and they bring in a stanford professor of ai to to predict what is going to happen in 2024.

Starting point is 01:41:05 Okay, Scott, now let's hear a prediction from Dr. Fei-Fei Li. Hi, Tara and Scott. This is Fei-Fei Li. I'm a Sequoia Professor of Computer Science at Stanford, standing co-director of Stanford Institute for Human-Centered AI and the author of the book. Is she AI? I think she's Asian.

Starting point is 01:41:29 Her name is Fufu or Fafa. She's obviously AI. No, she's not. She's just code. They're playing some code for us. And I love that she's the Sequoia professor. You know how that works. Hi, I'm Mike Moritz from Sequoia.

Starting point is 01:41:44 We're going to give you 100 million dollars but whenever your professor goes on pivot an award-winning technology podcast she has to say hello i am the sequoia professor you know the joke of that is that when i hear the sequoia professor i think of a tree i don't think of the the VC company. Hi, I'm the Pfizer professor. Listen to her prediction, though. This is where you know that it's... I'll shut up. Now you know it's bull crap.

Starting point is 01:42:14 This is Fei-Fei Li. I'm a Sequoia professor of computer science at Stanford, standing co-director of Stanford Institute for Human-Centered AI and the author of the book, The Worlds I See. My prediction for AI in 2024 is that the technology will continue to deepen and widen with a very impressive speed. We're going to see more multimodal large models beyond language into the domain of perception and world modeling. And we will also see AI continue to create a lot of discussion among the public and policymakers as we experience the messy impact of AI in our society, in our industry. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:43:12 Okay. What? What was that? Exactly. She says, I think the technology will widen and deepen. Okay. Bullsh*t. Well, everything's going to widen and deepen as as you dig deeper from this bull

Starting point is 01:43:28 and it will become multimodal now i've been following this now i'm so irked by this by this scam that i'm following multimodal means it will be able to you will build large language models with video and images and voice and audio. So, yeah, put our podcast in there, please. And she predicts world modeling. This is the new buzz term, world modeling. What does that even mean? I'm glad you asked. I'm asking.

Starting point is 01:44:01 From the university, I got a quick splainer of world modeling, also known as general world model. The thing is, LLMs only know about language. What if we applied the same big data, big model approach to how we generate videos? Well, that's what we're calling general world models, GWMs, and we believe that they're the next big thing. Similar to LLMs, general world models are given a large amount of data, but not just text. It's also given videos, images, and audio, everything you'd need in order to understand how the world works. And with all this information, the models build out sort of a mental map for themselves. And this is where my dog comes in. Hi, Ruben. Ruben also has an internal model of the world based on things he knows.

Starting point is 01:44:58 And it looks something like this. He learned that if we go this way, there's a higher chance of us going to the park. And if we go that way, there's a dog that kind of looks at him funny he knows that there's usually sidewalk chicken scraps right here and that these stores known as pet stores that have the treats that he likes once we get to the park this is where all the butt sniffing happens with all of this data the sights, relationships of things, Ruben has figured out how to predict certain outcomes and adjust his behaviors, just like the general world model.

Starting point is 01:45:35 So there you have it. A far cry from the fear-mongering from the pool boy and the info mavericks. The level that they're talking about for 2024 is a dog who knows when you turn right butt sniffing will happen this is this is the future

Starting point is 01:45:53 that's from the university and yeah and they would know they were a big Stanford was big big big in the 80s. Big in butt sniffing. And they were always big in butt sniffing. Everybody who's ever been there knows that.

Starting point is 01:46:09 You have to be careful, by the way, when you go. The butt sniffing could be very bad. You know, so it's nothing. It is, I'm telling you, they're going to pivot to quantum computing. No. They have to.

Starting point is 01:46:31 They have to. No, there's no logical pivot there. They're going to pivot. I'm not going to argue the point. But the pivot is climate change. They always do that. The pivot is climate. They always pivot from AI.

Starting point is 01:46:41 They did it in the 80s. They did it in the 50s. Okay, well, hold on. Hold on. This is a good point. When in the 80s. They did it in the 50s. Okay, well, hold on. Hold on. This is a good point. When in the 50s, neither you or I know, but in the 80s, when they pivoted away, when the AI winter came in the 80s, where did they pivot to? Well, to all I can tell, well, they pivoted to the internet, I believe. And they bailed on the AI.

Starting point is 01:47:06 And the thing is, the funny thing about the Stanford woman is that Stanford was one of the two main AI areas. It was Stanford and I think it was MIT. And I think Carnegie Mellon had something, maybe had their toe in the

Starting point is 01:47:22 water. But when they bailed, they basically destroyed all their research too. A lot of the research has been just, they got rid of it because it was too embarrassing. And they had to start over. The people who dug up some of the old stuff has really got it kick-started, the new AI movement.

Starting point is 01:47:42 But I don't know. I think you, I don't know i think you i don't know the reason why the reason why i say quantum computers is a because it's not real b well it's been a rep but it's already been there we're already past the quantum computing fad well yeah but okay this is a headline from the hill if countries are serious about climate change they better get serious about quantum computing and the story it goes like this quantum computing uses laws of quantum physics to store and process information and rapidly solve complex problems quantum computers available today require additional maturation to deliver on their full potential. Then here it is.

Starting point is 01:48:29 Quantum computers will be able to accelerate improvements in batteries, which are pivotal to the renewable energy transition. And they keep going on about, oh, companies like BMW are investigating the use of quantum computers to identify optimal locations to install electric vehicle charging stations. Why? You need a quantum computer for that? How about none? to better understand lithium sulfur batteries and explore how to boost batteries' charge capacity, diminish energy loss via heat, and lower production costs.

Starting point is 01:49:11 Doesn't that sound a lot like AI? Well, what you're saying, my interpretation of what you're getting at is that you see such a smokescreen of BS that, well, there's a smokescreen of BS here. Yes. So why don't we just move over to the other smokescreen? Well, it went from blockchain to AI. I mean, that was smokescreen, smokescreen. Everybody knew blockchain was crap. I don't think blockchain was the was the yes entry point for ai i'm not at all oh no for the markets john for the markets it was crypto and blockchain and that was that was right before oh now it's ai oh ai but what i don't know i think it's a separate track we need reasons for nvidia

Starting point is 01:50:01 to overcharge for their chips quantum is the next way for that you didn't yeah well here's the problem with that the nvidia chips which are more or less perfect for ai uh because you gotta you need so much computing power to do the stupidest stuff including where a dog can sniff ass it's like nailed it quantum computing is a different type of computing i mean it's the the architecture is totally alien and no one can do it i mean google claims to have made a quantum computer that solves some problem and it's there i've never bought into that it's bullcrap these things this is a joke the um there's a great article how um artists are now sabotaging ai with data poisoning have you heard of this no but this reminds me of what uh vals like. I mean, this is vandalism.

Starting point is 01:51:05 Yes, yes, yes. And vandals are out to just, like, for example, the driverless cars. Yeah, put the cone on them. There's a subculture of vandals that like to put, like, an X on a stop sign or put some word over the word stop on a stop sign or take stop signs out where they belong even though it's still on the road and do stuff to screw up the driverless car yes and it doesn't take much it turns out well there's a tool called nightshade and you run your image through nightshade

Starting point is 01:51:40 and it alters the the pixels in a way that screws up the way the computer, the AI, looks at the image and what it interprets from the image. So the example they give here is you need an image of a balloon. You prompt red balloon against the blue sky, but it returns an egg. I love this. I love this. I love this. I love these guys. This is great.

Starting point is 01:52:12 This is fantastic. So it's already becoming just a great, it's just great. It's fun. The AI is entertaining and good for our show. That's pretty much all it's good for. No, I think AI is, I think the whole key is entertainment. Yes. That's all that it's really good for our show. That's pretty much all it's good for. No, I think AI is that. I think the whole key is entertainment.

Starting point is 01:52:25 Yes, that's all that it's really good for. It's hardly anything you want to worry yourself sick about. Yeah. I mean, it could get tedious at some point. But in that thing, the pool boy brought up something called dead internet. And dead internet is this idea that everything on the internet will just be a bot and everything you're and it's probably to some degree there's already a lot of that going on um and that you you'll be you'll think that you'll be having conversations with people

Starting point is 01:53:00 we just talking with bots all day long i think think that's kind of, we're already there. I think some people can be stuck in that mode. Yeah. Yeah. Especially incels. Or incels. Yeah. Sadly. Sadly.

Starting point is 01:53:13 Talking with this cute female bot. She loves me. She says if I send her enough money, she can get, she can leave South Carolina. Dude, I got. Where she was runner up to Miss South Carolina. She's going to move out here with me. I don't know if it's just me, but the pig butchering is at an all time high right now. I am getting so many text messages, you know, that we know how this works.

Starting point is 01:53:40 We've discussed it several times. The pig butchering where they send you a note. Let me see. I have one here. From a 510 area code. How are you? How's it going? Okay, so we skipped that one.

Starting point is 01:53:51 There's more creative ones. Let me see. Where was the other one I had? Hey, I saved your number, but I didn't save your name. Who are you? Yeah, no, I'm going to answer that. Area code 906. Now, what are we talking about here?

Starting point is 01:54:08 Pig butchering, where you reply, and then they send, you know, it's always some hot Asian chick, and she sends you an image like, oh, you're kind of cute. And then eventually you wind up investing in some cryptocurrency, and you make money. You make money because it's a phony fake front. You make money and then they get you to mortgage your house. It's a long game. A long game. Long game. There's a bunch of these phonies on LinkedIn nowadays.

Starting point is 01:54:37 Linda, how soon will you pick me up? That's a good one. That's an interesting one. Are these your phone messages? Yeah, these are text messages. Hey, what are you doing? There's that one. Yeah, oh, this is rampant. that's an interesting one are these your phone messages yeah these are text messages hey what are you doing there's that one yeah oh this this is rampant and you know it probably comes from act blue are you there question mark yeah yeah it's uh it's none of these you don't even use

Starting point is 01:55:02 your phone it's in the drawer. Yeah. Well, I have to talk about this. This is one of the things we were going to talk about. When January 1st comes around, I will have gone one entire year without a cell phone, carrying a cell phone or having a cell phone or even having an account for a cell phone, one entire year. And I bring this up to certain people and like I brought it up at the bank the other day and everybody goes nuts how do you do it i wish i could do that of course my response to i wish i could do that is just do it here you go how can you do that

Starting point is 01:55:40 how do you way to go john how do you how do you do it how do you function how do you live how is it possible i mean do you have a life do you have friends do you know i mean did you have a seeing eye dog how can you live without your phone this is pretty much the reaction you get from everyone and it's like it was only just before 2007 when people didn't carry these phones around like crazy. It's not that long ago. It's less than 20 years and the entire population has been addicted to carrying a phone around. And like you pointed out to me, which I didn't notice at the time, it was a couple years ago, and I see nothing.

Starting point is 01:56:27 go and i see nothing he bought guys and gals walking around with a phone in their hand yeah all the time wherever they go there's a phone in their hand of them two of them sometimes two women sometimes have two phones i see that a lot one is like work yeah it turns out that you don't need that you have the phone. I mean, once in a while you'd be at a store, you had the store. So I'm saying, you know, one or so.

Starting point is 01:56:48 And so once I, I mean, I should call. I said, we want to buy one of these is on sale. You don't need to do that. And then, well,

Starting point is 01:56:56 you, the other response I guess, Hey, you, but you, I get text messages from you. I get tech. You do have a phone.

Starting point is 01:57:02 You liar. And it's like, no, I use Google. I use Google, yeah. I use Google Voice, which has text messages. You do it on the computer. I come in, I open it up once every week and find some messages on there,

Starting point is 01:57:16 or I send messages out to people who I got to send some information to. Important people. Important stuff. Important people, yeah. You use your text message twice a week for me newsletter newsletter newsletter please review newsletter that's all i get newsletter well you require it i wouldn't normally even do that because i send you the newsletter to look at yeah because i'm I'm not sitting here looking at my email all day. I have to because you're stuck on a phone like everybody else. I send you the text.

Starting point is 01:57:50 I am not stuck on a phone. You have a phone? I have a Graphene OS. There's a lot of stuff it doesn't do. No, I agree with you. I mean, you've done your best. Yes, I have. But you haven't done, you haven't gone all the way.

Starting point is 01:58:03 Here's the problem with the phone. Here's the problem with the phone. Here's the problem with the phone. Text messaging was kind of useful, but it's been so poisoned now because, you know, I have Greg Abbott texting me. I've Kamala Harris texting me. I got Joe Biden texting me. And then they give my number out to all these pig butchers who are texting me. I got Joe Biden texting me. And then they give my number out to all these pig butchers who are texting me. It's filled and you have to be careful. It's like, hey, you know, this is your bank. Click here for an important message. And before you know it,

Starting point is 01:58:37 your bank account is compromised. The two-factor authentication there's there's nothing useful anymore in communication this it's just not a beautiful i use signal i use telegram i use the uh let's see what are the it's all crap it really is become very useless all of this is it used to be hey you got my phone and then there's a couple of people have my number and if they if you really need to get a hold of me you're important in my life you know you can have that no now everybody is important everybody has my number it's just sold over and over and over again yeah once it gets out there i should do it rogan does rogan just buys a new number every like six months i know people that do that yeah he just getsan just buys a new number every like six months

Starting point is 01:59:25 I know people that do that and he gets a whole new phone too and he leaves the other phone at home and then if I send him a message oh dude here's my new number or sometimes he'll tell me if he changes the number

Starting point is 01:59:42 he keeps the old one for a while and then he gets rid of it. Yeah, I know a number of people that do that. It's a practice a lot of people employ. But then I know lots of people who have given up their number and they get a new number and then they're getting text messages from someone's old number. Oh, yeah. This is a huge problem. Oh, and then people because

Starting point is 02:00:05 the old the new number is really somebody else's old number that they gave up to get a new number because they're getting too many messages and now you're stuck with that number getting weird messages from people you never knew the only solution really is to go into a system where you pay you pay for the solution yes Yes. I have the solution. Leave it in the drawer. Have no life. That's your solution. Leave it in the drawer.

Starting point is 02:00:29 Yeah. I don't need the aggravation. That's why the other one I told one of the tellers, he said, what happens? How do people get a hold of you? I said, go home and get a hold of me on a landline. I said, I'm not a doctor. I don't need to be on call 24-7. If I was a heart specialist

Starting point is 02:00:48 or somebody like that, I would want to carry a phone, sure, but I'm not. I'm a podcaster. Nobody needs to get a hold of me. My friend is an ER doctor, and he literally does not have a phone at dinner. He did save a little girl's life the other night when we were having dinner how do you find out because she she walked by him she's like seven years old and he immediately heard something which was her choking and he grabbed her and like bam bam bam on her back rip whips her head back looks looks, still not, boom, boom, boom, and it popped right out. You witnessed this? Yes, we were having dinner with them. At a restaurant?

Starting point is 02:01:32 Yes. I've never seen anyone's training and spring into action like that. He heard it. The little girl was probably trying to go around the table to get to her mom on the other side and she was just choking and he heard that and he immediately knew what to do i was impressed does not have a phone with him er doctor and he does er is

Starting point is 02:01:57 different than you yeah it's not the same as being an on-call and the reason why the reason why is he doesn't want the hospital to call and say you need to come in because it's busy that's why he doesn't have a phone but i i did find out something interesting of interest you know we have the big um solar eclipse coming up oh yeah the big one april 8th um these are things you don't think about but the hospital has ordered quite a number of body bags they're expecting so many people to come to fredericksburg they expect there to be a number of people more people than normal that will die and they'll need a body bag oh just statistics yes statistics right and you got to be prepared. You have people that, logistics people,

Starting point is 02:02:47 who work at the hospital that know these things. And they were, we got to do this, we got to do that. It would be great for a local news report. So people wouldn't come. You have a statistical chance of leaving Fredericksburg in a body bag. Dead. Please don't come. Don't visit us at all.

Starting point is 02:03:07 Yeah, good luck. Why do people do that for 15 minutes? Why are people coming from all around the world? I don't know. You ask them when they're there. Get out there with a microphone and ask them, why are you here, dummy? And believe me, the phones will not work here. The phones, we barely get service on the weekends.

Starting point is 02:03:27 Oh, you're going to be overloaded. Yeah, on the weekends, it already overloaded. All the retailers that have to go to wired terminals, because the wireless terminals will get overloaded on a Saturday, because that works as a cell network. No, no, no. It's, stay away. The end of civilization.

Starting point is 02:03:51 Oh, well, that's a good point. One of the trolls says the phone companies will bring in the event trucks. Yeah, maybe, maybe. Oh, yeah, they can do that. They do that. I'm bringing up my ham radio stuff. I'm sick of it. I need to be prepared.

Starting point is 02:04:04 The end is near, I can tell. I got a three-parter stuff. I'm sick of it. I need to be prepared. The end is near. I can tell. I got a three-parter here with the Chinese election meddling. Oh, I thought it was only Russia that does that. No, turns out China does it more than Russia. Oh, okay. Part one? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:04:17 A recent report by the intelligence community finds that the Chinese regime tried to meddle in the 2022 midterm elections. How does it work and what will happen in the 2024 election? Joining us now is Dean Baxendale, CEO of China Democracy Fund and Optiman Publishing International. Baxendale just published a new book, The Mosaic Effect, how the Chinese Communist Party started a hybrid war in America's backyard. Now, there's a declassified U.S. intelligence report that says China tried to meddle in the 2022 midterm elections in the U.S. How seriously should we be taking this? I think we should be taking this extremely seriously. The CIA and the intelligence community are doing a great service for America and, quite frankly, for the free world

Starting point is 02:05:05 by declassifying and making some of these reports available to the public to understand that malign state governments like the Chinese Communist Party, Russia, Iran, are all interfering in elections around the world. So I would say, yes, it's extremely important that this report, this information is coming out. So I would say, yes, it's extremely important that this report, this information is coming out. On that note, the report notes that China, quote, tacitly approved efforts to try to influence a handful of midterm races involving members of both U.S. political parties. Those are candidates seen as anti-China. Now, how is China able to influence elections outside of their own borders?

Starting point is 02:05:49 So, as you know, the Chinese Communist Party uses the United Front Works Department globally. Now, wait a minute. She brings up kind of an interesting point without even thinking about it. Both candidates, both sides hate China. Who are they trying to tip the scales for? The people who, there are candidates who don't have a hatred of china and they don't express it they don't threaten china you know the stooges the eric swalwell types fang fang they don't need to hack him they just put fang fang next to him in bed you know or any any woman i think yeah there's a thing called the united front sounds sketchy yeah you look it up it's in

Starting point is 02:06:27 wikipedia's got a story about it here go to part two uh they're running operations uh in canada united states mexico the the uk uh they have united front people who ultimately control various media outlets uh throughout and proxy, especially in Canada, where we have 56 media outlets that are either controlled directly or indirectly by the Chinese Communist Party or proxies that are attached to the United Front. So they're using their own information within the Chinese community to change votes or persuade China diaspora community members to vote in a certain way or to view a politician in a certain way that might be negative towards China.

Starting point is 02:07:11 And therefore, that is one way they would influence in terms directly in the media. The next, of course, is social media and their use of trolls and bots around the world that continue to put out disinformation or misinformation, however you want to look at it, and actually exacerbate points of division, both on the left and the right, that alienate voters and actually influence them in voting in particular ways. Wait a minute. The Chinese are using Putin's playbook. It's Chinese playbook. No, it's Putin's playbook. It's Chinese playbook.

Starting point is 02:07:45 No, it's Putin's playbook. I'm not buying any of this. This is all bull crap. I think we don't need Chinese helping us argue on social media. Seriously? Well, it might be one of those things where they're doing stuff because they think it's effective. And it's really just a joke they're just fooling themselves that that that cyber front whatever it's called they're

Starting point is 02:08:10 they're united front united front they're stealing money from the chinese government they don't need any of that just just post one word trump and then back away and see what happens it's trump that's all you need yeah that's actually that would work that does work yeah i can get paid for that all right you don't need to listen to the last of this are you sure i'm enjoying it so much just know okay go play it and in terms of the united front work department give us a sense of how does this relate to the chinese communist party is this its own little category or is it backed by the government so as you as you know, the United Front actually is a department of the Chinese Communist Party. There is over, I believe now there is over close to 40,000 employees, so to speak,

Starting point is 02:08:55 around the world that are doing influence operations, both soft power and sharp power operations inside countries around the globe to ensure that China is viewed as a positive and a great nation to do business with and to ultimately partner with. Their propaganda operations, misinformation, disinformation, propaganda is just one of the many tools used by the United Front throughout the world. You can look at other elements of the United Front, including direct political influence operations in terms of bribes and or money that's being donated directly into... Donated! For instance, we call them writings here in Canada, or directly into constituencies that

Starting point is 02:09:40 may influence a politician and how he views a particular issue that may be pro or against the Chinese Communist Party's ambitions. Donate to no agenda. Yeah, this is, you know, OK, fine. Fine. All of this influence of the Internet. No, none of it. None of social media is is just a place where you go and yell because you're hooked on it because yeah people are hooked on it and it's it's unhealthy it's like they're hooked to their phone the phone same thing you know you you brought something up on

Starting point is 02:10:17 it was the last show of the show before that about me stopping smoking weed and how mimi thought that was great and a lot of other people chimed in saying yes. And what's interesting is I have received at least 10 emails, 10 that say, Oh wow. I would like to quit smoking weed too. How did you do it? This is,

Starting point is 02:10:41 this is an unexpected response from our audience. That, that, yeah. So I would like to give a brief overview of how i did it i would be interested in myself even though i don't know why i care well one i had a small incentive because my periodontist called and said adam i'm going to operate on you uh stop putting fire in your mouth it makes it harder for me to operate

Starting point is 02:11:03 and harder for you to recover. So I had an incentive. I've had lots of incentives in the past. But I quit cold turkey. This is the number one. Quit cold turkey. Number two, I vaped. In fact, it wasn't even nicotine, just a vape, mainly for the oral fixation, the process of having something in my hand. I found that to be the hardest.

Starting point is 02:11:27 What am I going to do? I'm missing that motion. I also got a Geek Vape. That's a brand which gives you more to do because you have to build the coil yourself and put the cotton in. Like pipe smokers. Yes, yes. Very precisely. So the part of, for me, weed was the process of rolling.

Starting point is 02:11:46 I could roll a joint with one hand behind my back, I mean, while driving, no problem. So having the process of doing something. I also had a project to work on because you become very productive very quickly within a day. And so I set up a Trillium database, just as something to do. I set up a Trillium database. So I have something, have a project. And final advice, have a partner.

Starting point is 02:12:16 I think shipping a bottle might be more appropriate for most people. Puzzle, shipping a bottle, have a project. Lego. Lego, yeah a project. Like Lego. Lego. Yeah, Lego. Have a partner to keep you in check.

Starting point is 02:12:33 Because if you're alone, that's the worst. If you're alone, then the devil will come and get you. Be like, well, no one's going to see. I'm just going to have one toke. And take it one day at a time, then one week and one month. And now it's been 14 months. 14 months? I didn't realize it was that long already. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 02:12:49 Yeah. It was Thanksgiving last year. Huh. So, yeah. Longer than I've been off the phone. Together, we're a catch. We're great guys together. All right. Sticking with quitting before we take our break here. Together, we're a catch. We're great guys together.

Starting point is 02:13:09 All right, sticking with quitting before we take our break here, something very interesting happening for the holiday season. Yeah, you thought Ozempic was good. No, it's holiday season. With the holiday season in full swing, some people who take drugs used for weight loss, such as Ozempic, are planning a pause on their prescriptions ahead of celebrations. Ariel Reshef is back with the details and what to know. Good morning, Ariel. Good morning again, Robin. As we know, many have seen dramatic results taking

Starting point is 02:13:36 this class of medications for weight loss, but some say they need a break for the holidays, whether it's for a little indulgence or cost savings. Doctor's caution, it's a trade-off. This is, I found this to be interesting. Well, I find it to be ridiculous. I thought the whole idea was you take it with somebody so you can chow down. No, no. I think the reason why people are stopping is because otherwise you're throwing up all day. You know, it's like you go to have Christmas dinner.

Starting point is 02:14:04 I got to go take a dump. I got to go puke. I don't feel good. Tis the season for holiday feasting. And now some using medications like Ozempic, Munjaro and Wegovi for weight loss say they're taking a vacation from the drugs. Unpopular opinion in the semi-glutide world. Julie Stoll Kelly, who lost 38 pounds, says she's foregoing the appetite-suppressing simiglutide in favor of feeling less uncomfortably full and fielding fewer questions during festive meals. She skipped her dose during Thanksgiving. What I noticed was I was still able to eat the things that I really wanted to indulge a little bit.

Starting point is 02:14:40 I just had to be really conscious about how I was feeling, what I was eating, how fast I was eating it. For Kaylee Svensson, who lost 90 pounds on Moonjaro, cutting back this time of year is a financial decision, a trade-off to put presents under the tree. It's something that is financially extraordinarily expensive for our family to afford because our insurance isn't covering it. If I can make a box last six weeks instead of four, that'll save me a couple hundred. I think this, I'll continue in a minute.

Starting point is 02:15:08 I think this may be part of the ploy to get this thing on Medicare. Look at these poor people. They can't, they, in order to put presents under the tree. Yeah. They have to sacrifice family to afford because our insurance isn't covering it. If I can make a box last six weeks instead of four, that will save me a couple hundred extra dollars.

Starting point is 02:15:30 Kaylee says her prescription cost her more than $1,000 for four single-use doses. If I can stretch it for 10 days instead of every week, that helps me push off, you know, the expense a little bit. me push off, you know, the expense a little bit. Doctors caution pausing the treatments can come with some side effects like nausea, increased appetite and weight gain. If a patient skips their medication for one to two weeks, there is a potential for them to have some increased side effects. They might not see those improvements in their hunger and appetite. Ah, here's another part. Don't stop taking it. And so they'll inevitably eat more and that may contribute to some weight gain.

Starting point is 02:16:09 And with all of the temptations this time of year, doctors say this may not be the ideal time to pause treatment. If you're hoping to maintain your progress, but a week or so shouldn't set you too far back guys. And there are temptations this time of year. Oh my God. How many people are on this stuff? Um, so I do have have i do have quick two quick boots on the ground uh notices important for us to know um i incorrectly

Starting point is 02:16:36 stated that um semaglutide is out of patent wrong says james um he says semaglutide is out of patent. Wrong, says James. He says, semaglutide and all other GLP-1 agonists are not generic. The patent does not expire until July 17th, 2026. The compounded GLP-1 agonists you spoke of are reverse engineered formulas there are no generics of ozempic trulicity or any other glp1 agonists because they are still patented um the different names of novo nordisk products are just branding for the same drug different doses yes we got that and then a second boots on the ground note and this is about the cost um i have a client who's just started taking the compounded versions of semaglutide we have a pharmacist pharmacists in our vast boots on the ground army they add

Starting point is 02:17:33 vitamin b12 to it which qualifies it as a new drug my client is getting it from a compounding pharmacy in pennsylvania so that's the workaround is yeah yeah, you just, you get the, you get the semaglutide, you throw some B12 in, new drug, it's okay. The compounded version comes in a vial and the patient must use a standard syringe to draw it. That's why people are overdosing. Sure. The compounded version was prescribed by her PCP, primary care physician, I guess, and it's only $250 a month instead of the typical 1000. The drug sells in every other country in the world for $30. The main reason for the increased price is the PBMs, Pharmacy Benefit Managers. Do you remember this term?

Starting point is 02:18:18 Yep. This is what Trump went after. Yeah, Trump went after it. Supposedly, Biden did something about it, but there's no evidence of it. Biden talks a big game, but none of this ever happens. This is like Biden talking a big game about climate change and the rest, and then we have more oil production than ever. He's just full of crap, this guy. You know, it's a theme.

Starting point is 02:18:38 All of the pharmacy benefit managers are owned by pharmacies like CVS owns OptumRx. They approve or disapprove the prescribed drug for coverage. Then the PBM jacks up the price to the patient while sharing the profits with the parent company. Nice. Ultimately, what a deal. Yeah, I'm all in. Ultimately, it's Congress that's to blame and that's not going to change because of all the lobbying. I mean bribes.

Starting point is 02:19:03 Oh, damn. Greedy bastards. Okay, very good. That's your boots on the ground.'re screwed you're screwed then you will be forever forever and with that i'd like to thank you for your courage in the morning to you the man who put the c in the cheating machine say hello to my friend on the other end the one and only mr john c devore we are in the morning you mr andrew curry also in the morning all the ships and sea boots on the We are well into the Christmas holiday here, Christmas week, which means the trolls will be off and gallivanting about. Let's have a check anyway.

Starting point is 02:19:37 Come on. Oh, no. Oh, no. 1741. This is not good. This is a very low troll count. We have low T. That's actually not bad.

Starting point is 02:19:50 We have... I just want to say... 1800 is the number we'll shoot for on Thursday. Okay. We have low T. We have low T, though. We do have low T. Where's today?

Starting point is 02:19:59 Today's Thursday. Today's Thursday, I think. Who knows? Yeah, no, today's Thursday, so 1750 is fine okay thank goodness thank goodness well you can join the trolls in the troll room trollroom.io also known as noagendastream.com it's a live stream 24 7 it's pretty cool we got a lot of podcasts there a lot of people doing live podcasts, which you can enjoy there with the streaming audio.

Starting point is 02:20:28 We do that on the Dvorak Horror with some plug. Yes. May I give you props, by the way, for the Dvorak Horror? You predicted some kind of weird buyout with what was it? Disney? Discovery. And the next day, they announced

Starting point is 02:20:44 that there's some merger or something. Yeah, well, no, they're in talks with Paramount. Yeah, but you called it. I did. It was astonishing. You had some weird insider transaction that was like, okay. It was a screwball one, too. It was weird. It was very strange.

Starting point is 02:21:00 You have to go back, listen to the show. So you can hear DH Unplugged on Tuesdays. You guys go live, what, 8 o'clock Eastern? 9 o'clock Eastern. Can't remember. What time is it for you when you start? 7, it's 10 o'clock Eastern.

Starting point is 02:21:14 No, oh yeah, 10 Eastern. There you go. Yeah, I'm at 7, 7 o'clock. Yeah, it's fun. I always love listening to you guys. You know nothing about Bitcoin, by the way. You should stay away from that. You know nothing about Bitcoin, by the way. You should stay away from that. We know nothing about Bitcoin.

Starting point is 02:21:28 We just don't like it. You don't like it. I know. I know. That's very clear. So you can also, and this is what we recommend, is get a modern podcast app. You can find it at podcastapps.com. podcastapp. You can find it at podcastapps.com. Because not just for our show, but there are many podcasts that you may like that will suddenly just disappear if you're using Apple or Spotify.

Starting point is 02:21:53 Spotify is taking away podcasts on a daily basis. They just cancel people. And I haven't tracked Apple, but they do the same thing. They get a call, something's not right, whatever. And you know, this is gone. And that will not happen with a modern podcast app. They get a call, something's not right, whatever. And, you know, this is gone. And that will not happen with a modern podcast app. In addition to that, you'll get a notification within 90 seconds of us publishing the show that it's been updated. We have chapter images. We have transcripts, which you can search in, which is very handy.

Starting point is 02:22:20 It's like, oh, there's something in that show I want to find. There's all these benefits that you get, and it's completely open source and a bunch of cool people make it. which is very handy. It's like, Oh, there's something in that show. I want to find there's all these benefits that you get. And it's completely open source and a bunch of cool people make it. So I want to give a benefit out to one of our longtime producers. And I don't want to give his, his email out, but I'm going to do it. Patrick may come,

Starting point is 02:22:40 sir. Patrick may come on $50 every show forever. And he's in New York, I think, SirPatrickMayCom. Yes. Note, I got laid off after 10 years from my tech job because he quit. He quit his donation. I sent him a note. I said, what happened?

Starting point is 02:22:56 I got laid off after 10 years from my tech job. I resumed donating again when I get a new gig. Right before Christmas, too. He was there forever. Last day is early January. We'll spend the holiday working on my resume. Let me know if anyone needs someone with 10 plus years of code experience,

Starting point is 02:23:14 20 plus years of front end, plus 8 years of back end development, plus 5 years of blockchain, 3 plus 3 of something else. I can't figure out what he's talking about. Yada, yada, yada.

Starting point is 02:23:27 Keep up the great work. Email Patrick Macom, P-A-T-R-I-C-K-M-A-C-O-M at gmail.com. I have two pieces of advice for, and I think he's a sir, is he not? I think he's Sir Patrick Macom. Oh, yeah. He's probably a baron. Two pieces of advice. A, put in three years of AI experience, please.

Starting point is 02:23:50 Just do it. Just do it. Just throw it in. Two, consider ImageMakersInc.com. That's ImageMakersInc with a K dot com. Hey. Taking my job. This is a value for value podcast. Speaking of value for value,

Starting point is 02:24:09 I heard something that you have not promoted yet on this show, which I, I maybe you felt it was out of place, but since the success of too many eggs.com, there is now a new book from gateview publishing which i believe is titled the abcs of stock investing yeah you can get the pdf there at gateviewpublishing.com explain what it is explain what it is because i like i like your project it's just a kid's book. It's a kid's book with ABCs, and each one of the ABCs is some sort of investment term for kids. Yeah, with illustrations.

Starting point is 02:24:55 With illustrations. Yeah, illustrations. No, it's cute. I like your little publishing empire you guys are putting together over there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I would recommend, by the way, since we're actually in negotiations with another publisher

Starting point is 02:25:09 for the egg book, for them to take over the distribution rights. If that happens, I'm pretty sure in this, I could talk them out of it, the PDF will end up going away. So I recommend, which I think is, I have my arguments for why you should PDF all these products. But you know, this sounds suspiciously like an exit strategy, John C. Dvorak. No. No.

Starting point is 02:25:34 And so it's a tax strategy. Oh. And so anyway, too many eggs.com, the PDF file, grab a copy just for your bone. Good. That's too bad because I was thinking if, can we not do our value for value book and have that? We're going to do it.

Starting point is 02:25:51 It's on the list. We got to do three books next year. But can we, can we then have an exit strategy? Can I, can I do my, wait a minute, wait a minute. Can I do my old,

Starting point is 02:26:00 can I do my, I was an MTV guy book. Can we do that? Absolutely. Held hostage by my hair, you know, stuff like that. Oh, great title. Thank you. I want to exit, John.

Starting point is 02:26:11 We need to be planning for the future. Just a thought. Well, with these kind of donations, which, for example, we had this promotion I bitched about earlier in the show. The promotion was great. The 16-18, what is it called? The golden ratio. Golden ratio. We got a total of three donations for $16.18.

Starting point is 02:26:37 Dynamite. A little less than a typical promotion. Definitely doesn't keep up with the PhD program. It was, no. But, yeah, yeah. You know what, let's face it. People don't like math. They don't like the golden ratio.

Starting point is 02:26:54 They don't like the golden ratio. That's okay. We've had other flops. The golden ratio gets no respect. So, we have this whole concept. I actually went on Twitter Twitter spaces the other day. Oh God, that was rough. You went on what?

Starting point is 02:27:08 I did a Twitter spaces. Spaces. Spaces? Spaces. What is spaces? It's like a chat room on voice with a whole bunch of people on Twitter. And I had to install the app.

Starting point is 02:27:20 That's got to be dreadful. Well, yeah, it is. You have to install the app and then you got to be dreadful. Well, yeah, it is. You have to install the app, then you get called up on stage. Oh, God. I was explaining value for value, which is always fun. I said, we've been doing this for

Starting point is 02:27:39 16 years, so it works, people. Get with the program. Listen to our donation segment. People love us. It's about the feedback loop. You've got to read the notes. You've it works, people. Get with the program. Listen to our donation segment. People love us. And it's about the feedback loop. You got to read the notes. You got to tell people. You got to thank people. It's very smart.

Starting point is 02:27:52 And it's not just money. It's time, talent, or treasure. That's the important part. Because we technically have made more by spending less. You know, building websites. Can you imagine if we had to build our own website? Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 02:28:11 Or hire artists to do the art. Well, you led me right to it. Or how about a combo of that? What if you had a guy who built a place where artists could upload? And okay, so sometimes things go wrong and it breaks but sir paul couture not only did he fix no agenda art generator.com but he upgraded it what can you imagine the meeting we have to have with our provider hey we would like a refresh

Starting point is 02:28:41 of no agenda art generatorgenerator.com. They'd be piling on the bills. Look at this. The meetings. Oh, no, it's a million-dollar site. If it was going, it'd be $6 million. They'd have to have meetings, all kinds of horrible things we don't like. And so what do we get? We get a beautiful new site from Sir Paul Gouture.

Starting point is 02:29:02 Well, you know what's interesting about the site? I'll say this. Now, as far as I'm concerned, his original site was fine. Because I'm one of those, it's fine. Yeah. And so he upgraded it to the headless Drupal or whatever the last one was. That wasn't fine. And it was just such an improvement. It was

Starting point is 02:29:17 unbelievable. And so then he goes, I said, oh, what do you got? Why would you improve that? And of course, you know me. I'm the one with the devorec.org. I think that's fine. You have blink tags and redball.gif. I don't have

Starting point is 02:29:34 blink tags or cats running across the screen, but I could imagine. Yes, close. So then he upgrades to this ridiculously modern site. It's like, it's beyond. I mean, this guy should be working for, I don't know who, but IBM or some big money operator.

Starting point is 02:29:54 I mean, it's so modern. It is. It's very modern. I mean, the other one was modern and the one before that was modern. But to keep up and make it modern on top of modern. And if you notice little things like the artist icon is in there, you know, the artist profile page shows up in the artwork. It just has all kinds of metadata. Ooh, that's expensive.

Starting point is 02:30:17 Metadata. It's phenomenal. And it's a little slow, but I think that's just, you know, optimizing. He'll be good. He'll optimize. And it has leaderboards. It has all the artist profiles. You load up the page.

Starting point is 02:30:35 It shows you how many images, 31,100 images, how many artists, 1,400 artists. It's just great. I didn't know we had that many artists. Yeah. Thank you, Sir Paul Couture. We really appreciate it. many artists 1400 artists it's just great i know he had that many artists yeah and thank you sir paul couture we really appreciate if you see paul you know hug him give him a hug he needs it give him a hug yeah you know it took him a couple weeks you know but he had the crash in almost a month yeah but but you know what's beautiful about it we just like oh okay that's fine because it's value for value it's value for value.

Starting point is 02:31:05 It's like, we didn't have to get mad. I didn't have to be calling John like, you hired the guy. You fix it. You fix it. Yeah, that's actually what happens. Especially with psychos like you as the boss. Oh, yeah. Now call me a psycho.

Starting point is 02:31:20 Okay. All right, there you go. This was, reminds me of the, this is Adam back in the day at, at Mevio. No, whatever it was, Pacho originally. Okay, here we go. He's real casual, smoking dope. He's just, you know, he's there, you know, he's not in the office that much, but he's there once in a while.

Starting point is 02:31:37 And so he's saying he's very lackadaisical. Yeah. I mean, people can, you know, people should put in a full day's work and I don't see a big deal about coming in on time. You just got to get in there, do what you have to do, and then get out. So one day, he decides to go in front of the office as people are coming in late, streaming in late, with him standing there going, oh, I'm glad you can make it. Smoking dope. I was still smoking dope. Smoking dope. Oh, I'm glad you could make it. Smoking dope. I was still smoking dope.

Starting point is 02:32:07 Oh, I'm glad you can make it. Oh, did you check the time? What time is it? Oh, good. I'm glad you could come in. I'm glad you came in. Just giving him grief. And I was standing there with you.

Starting point is 02:32:17 We would stand there together. I was flabbergasted. It got to the point where people just showed up at noon. I'm like, come on, come on people. What do we have an office for? This is not COVID.

Starting point is 02:32:30 It was way before COVID. Anyway, by the way, the mention of the, of the art generator brought it to its knees. Once again, of course, um,

Starting point is 02:32:41 no agenda, art generator.com. Thank you, sir. Paul couture. And thank you sir paul couture and thank you to dame kenny ben who brought us the outstanding artwork for episode 16 17 we titled that twerking russians which we we both thought that was a good title and the ho ho ho ho zempic santa claus that got lots of

Starting point is 02:33:01 traction people thought that was hilarious. It was hilarious. And it's not often that you get such a compact, beautiful, just a nugget of beauty. You know, it was a takeoff. It was a parody. It was well illustrated. The whole thing was professional. Again, something we could never have afforded. You can imagine, hey, we got this title is Twerking Russians. Can you whip up an image for us

Starting point is 02:33:31 that, by the way, has nothing to do with twerking Russians? Oh, what? You didn't listen to the show? No, because what our artists do, they're listening to the show and they're doing the stuff on the fly. It's amazing. It is a true testament to value for value. And we are incredibly grateful to all of our artists. Someone said, you're being performative. What does that mean? In this regard. On the last show, I said, we'd like to thank.

Starting point is 02:33:59 I said, that's performative. Just say thank you. That's a good point. Politicians do that. We'd like to thank. Yeah, if you say we'd like to thank. Well, I've got just Just say thank you. That's a good point. Politicians do that. We'd like to thank. Yeah, if you say we'd like to thank. Well, I've got this to say about that. Yeah, that's another one.

Starting point is 02:34:12 Thank you, artists. Thank all of you, and especially Dame Kennymen. We appreciate you so much. Now let's go to the treasure part of the Value for Value model. This is where we thank our executive and associate executive producers and everybody who supported us with monetary donations up to or down to $50. And this is really the stuff that keeps us going. And we start off with a we have a handwritten note here from Emily Andrews.

Starting point is 02:34:39 And she is in Salina, Texas. And it come up with a whopping 1465 i'm loading her note which is handwritten and she says dear john and adam i last donated with a shout out with a with a short thank you and you guys uh seemed uh seemed something that the note wasn't longer. Oh, it seemed down. The note wasn't. So,

Starting point is 02:35:08 okay. So she decided to write a longer note. I'm writing the why I originally heard about you guys from Mo facts. I really appreciate listening to you guys over COVID hearing about KNC cattle and getting some laughs in about the state of affairs instead of agonizing over it. Yes, that's what we do. The check is a percentage of my annual bonus from my employer.

Starting point is 02:35:30 Wow, that's some tithing right there. That's the way to do it. Ooh, what are we drinking? Polar seltzer. Boring. Bring something good next show. I consider your show to be a ministry and appreciate your genuine efforts to shepherd the divine flock God has brought to your podcast. Wow.

Starting point is 02:35:50 For giggles, I listen to podcasts 1 to 20. That's episode 1 to 20. Adam, I can hear the evidence of the work God has done in you. God bless you both, your sister in Christ, Emily Andrews. He's not the a-hole he was. That's right. It's so true. Notice I don't cuss.

Starting point is 02:36:09 I've stopped that. Yeah, well, that's, yeah. And in fact, people have noticed that you're cussing more. I, because I think there's a cuss. A cuss balance. A cuss median that we have to achieve to have the proper cuss balance. You have so, there's so many. And I don't, I didn't cuss on today's show at all.

Starting point is 02:36:30 No, you didn't. And I usually just cuss for effect. You cussed as part of your vocabulary. That was the difference. Yeah, and I did it a lot, actually. Yeah, I, yeah, you did. But we have. But you were backed off.

Starting point is 02:36:42 I have people emailing saying, thank you. Now I don't, I can listen around my kids again. Except for that clip you brought. Thank you, Emily. The kids understand cussing, generally speaking. Good luck with that. Europe. Oh, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 02:37:02 A dude named Ralph comes up next. And he's in with 550, which is nice in Miami, Florida. Dear John and Adam, thank you for the outstanding work you do on No Agenda. The magical combination of you two and the incredible No Agenda producers make this show the best podcast in the universe. Inspired by something wise, John said, I reviewed my donation history and I happily discovered that the Ph.D. contribution also qualified me for title of baron. I would like to be known as the baron dude name. By the way, just to stop right here. There's a number of people and there's a list of them on the No Agenda Rings dot com site who've gotten've gotten their, got the PhD during the promotion.

Starting point is 02:37:45 This promotion's over. And they've never sent in the details of where they want the diploma sent or anything else. Please go and do that before the printer breaks. Inspired by, blah, blah, blah. I'd like to be known as Baron Dude

Starting point is 02:38:03 named Ralph of the Suburban South Florida I would like mojitos and lechon asado Cuban style roasted pig for the round table I got it I made two Christmas donations today to share $5.50 from a work bonus

Starting point is 02:38:18 again a work bonus beautiful work bonus no agenda and $16.18 for a show number donation i humbly request jobs carmen to help those for a show number donation and not the magic circle i humbly request jobs carmen to help me as i embark on the next chapter of my career respectfully dude named ralph magic circle it's called the golden ratio not not the magic circle. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

Starting point is 02:38:48 You've got karma. And we got Lacey B. in Lake Mills, Wisconsin. 333-33, favorite donation number. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to you, John and Adam, and to your better halves, the back office, your loved ones, and all of NOAA Genonation, and jingle-bingle to the OBDM crossover crowd. This donation puts me over the mark to qualify as a dame.

Starting point is 02:39:10 The title Dame Lucy will suffice. I talk too much in real life, so I keep this note short. Thank you for your courage, love, and light to all Lacey B., Lake Mills, Wisconsin. Thank you. Thank you very much, Lacey B. All right, so I have to, to i finally since i hit it just right i have to take a quick look at the uh the note list yeah keep talking in the mic though because you're dropping out i am uh got tim turbo turbo uh turbo tim three three three dot three Turbo Tim. 333.33, and I don't have a location for him.

Starting point is 02:39:45 But I do have a note, which has been Tim Turbo. A handwritten note on a piece of three-hole punch student paper. In the morning, John and Adam, I've finally gotten my rear in gear. And here I sent you to some much deserved treasure please dedouche me you've been dedouched i just realized that episode 1617 adds up to 33 and i'll be 33 on the 22nd of this month. I knew it was time. Nice. So that's interesting. We could have caught that too, 16, 17.

Starting point is 02:40:29 Yeah. Another way, it wouldn't have made a difference. Mike, the Woodwatch guy, introduced me to your show about three years ago. I worked for a forklift repair company in Detroit for over eight years as a mobile forklift and diesel engine repair technician. That's a good job. Yes. They kept getting on my ass about my mask. So I wrote in big letters, you're a slave across the front and wore it proudly

Starting point is 02:40:56 to every customer location as I went from Spark Conversations and went to Spark Conversations and spew truth. Wow. I went to spark conversations and spew truth. Good for you, man. Yeah, I like it. That's ballsy. I quit after refusing to take the jab and started my own small forklift and diesel truck repair business then moved to Capic, Michigan.

Starting point is 02:41:21 Capac, Capac. The plan to go electric is hilarious because our world literally functions because of diesel the epa has had a had an american hold on has a has a hard-on oh hard for diesel but not in other countries. Anyone who hears DPF, DEF, and engine D rate will be triggered by this. It's all the crap they make you put in the engine. Of course. Yeah, pig urine.

Starting point is 02:41:55 Yeah, pig urine. This, yeah, unbelievable. This is my first start to knighthood, and if I have any questions about the diesel industry, feel free to email me. That's nice. I bet you're doing very well in your own company. John has pronounced K-Pack, as Adam just told me.

Starting point is 02:42:13 Please send the spark plug. Oh, he sent two spark plug key chains. Oh. He sent these little, these trinkets. I have to say, they're pretty cute. I didn't get mine.

Starting point is 02:42:30 Because I have it. I have yours. The people who send them to me and they have to wait until they accumulate and they'll send you a box. And so the whole package smelled like a repair garage

Starting point is 02:42:43 because, and I sniffed, I said jay sniff this wait a minute this guy this guy is a repair man there's no doubt about it let me give you a little tip if john c devorek ever comes up to you and says hey sniff this walk away walk away yes i thought you'd like that yes well that's cool man's cool, man. Thank you so much. And I also want to thank everyone who sent all these beautiful things to the P.O. Box. I got fudge. I got the coffee. I got the coffee from those gigawatt guys.

Starting point is 02:43:18 Yeah, the fudge. Okay, the fudge came. I don't have the note here on the fudge. I got the fudge. The fudge came in kind of as a mess, but I have to say this. If you can dig through there and find the peanut butter divinity. Oh, okay. It borderline, it's borderline unbelievable.

Starting point is 02:43:41 Yeah, I believe it. It like makes a Reese's peanut butter. You would never have another one yeah google eyes it's just they nailed it nailed it the rest of the stuff is is good but these the peanut whoever did i'd like to get that recipe i got sir scoops i got your big box of uh of your your pirate uh your pirate show i got... You got stuff from Diesel? No, I didn't get stuff from Diesel. I did get some...

Starting point is 02:44:09 Death, Death, Death the Band. No, I... No. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. That's who I got it from. Art and stuff. Art and stickers and magnets and all kinds of stuff.

Starting point is 02:44:19 And I also got... I got a huge pack from the anonymous air traffic controller. Oh, goodness. Oh, goodness. I don't think you should have sent me that stuff. He's got stuff about C-130 shooting lasers down to the ground. Really? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:44:38 The FAA sent out memos like, hey, you know, if you guys have every right to tell the c-130 with a laser to not shoot the laser all right thanks i got a pastor who says thank you for not cussing and got lindsey who says it's been a joy to listen to the podcast with my 11 year old now it's not as explicit as it used to be thanks john for that clip um Except for the dog butt sniffing. Well, that's funny. That's funny. Just so many things. Thank you all so much. It was amazing to go to the P.O. Box.

Starting point is 02:45:13 I couldn't believe all the stuff that everybody has sent. So nice. And also thank you to Ryan Powell from Edgewood, Washington, 333. But wait, one more thing. I don't know, did we ever thank the guy who sent us the flight, the Air Force One jackets? Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure we did.

Starting point is 02:45:33 That is a dynamite jacket, by the way. His son got that. His son got those for us. Yeah. Ryan Powell, 333, says, for my wife's 50th birthday on the 18th, so it's a switcheroo. I'm still a douchebag, but Christmas is coming soon. Thanks, guys. So he doesn't want to be deduced.

Starting point is 02:45:49 He just wants it for his wife, and he doesn't give us her name. So we'll just say Mrs. Powell. Mrs. Powell. Mrs. Powell. That's what we'll do. Eric Wilka in Auburn, Alabama. So that's what we'll do. Eric Wilka in Auburn, Alabama.

Starting point is 02:46:09 IATM citizen Adam and citizen John. I just had a pop-up. Hold on a second. A pop-up? Yeah, a pop-up. Outstanding show, he continues. Hope you have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Sir Eric, that's a great note for $333.

Starting point is 02:46:28 How can you? I haven't had a pop up since 1988. It's a system pop up. Oh, time to reboot for more freedom on your computer. Sir Nick, in Waterford, Michigan, 33333, I'm just trying to keep my Delta medallion, so I'm charging this value for value donation to my Amex please give this single and ready to mingle producer some swazzle nuff karma and a trains good planes bad alright well

Starting point is 02:46:55 we don't actually have a swazzle nuff but I did get something together for you all aboard trains good planes bad 69 69 dudes together for you. All aboard! Trains good, planes bad. Woo-hoo! 69! 69!

Starting point is 02:47:08 Dude! You've got karma. That's the only swazzle I know of. The last executive producer is Ara Dadarian. No, Sir Ara. Sir Ara Dadarian. He's in Trabuco Canyon, California, 333, and he's got the bestuco Canyon California 333

Starting point is 02:47:25 and he's got the best message Merry Christmas and Happy New Year that's a good one thank you Ivan Babic or Ivan

Starting point is 02:47:35 but I'll say Ivan in Astoria Queens Astoria New York $250 our associate executive producer no notes so he gets

Starting point is 02:47:42 a double up you've got karma Our associate executive producer, no notes, so he gets a double up. You've got... Double up! Karma. Sure, Tooth Fairy in Valparaiso, Indiana comes in with $223 and says, Boy, if Fancy wants jingles, he wants Space Force 2 to the head, Fauci wheeze. Yak, Christmas karma for all.

Starting point is 02:48:01 Merry Christmas, boys. Please put me on the birthday list for the 21st. As I celebrate my 38th trip around the sun, I figured it would be a good time to become a Baron. Accounting below, please change my title to Sir Tooth Fairy Baron of the Region. Thank you for all you do, Sir Tooth Fairy. Space Force! Please!

Starting point is 02:48:25 You've got karma. And we have another no-noter, Christopher Burke, St. Paul, Minnesota, 21234. So for you, also a double-up karma. You've got karma.

Starting point is 02:48:44 $200 for Linda Lupatkin in Lakewood, Colorado. She says jobs karma. For a remarkable resume that hits people in the mouth, go to imagemakersinc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's imagemakersinc.com or just find Linda Lepatkin under the show's producer list. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma. And our final associate executive producer is from Stormin' and Norman in Trumbull, Connecticut, 200. Please wish my wife, Dame Roundstonestone a happy 60th coming up

Starting point is 02:49:25 December 30th producer Anne Ronda Pierre we met at our radio station in Connecticut in 1985 four kids and two grandkids later we're still growing strong from Stormin' and Norman in the morning mornings on W-E-B-E

Starting point is 02:49:41 108 Stormin' Norman Stormin' Norman W-E-B-E-1-0-8. Oh, hold on. I don't know what I was like. Stormy Norman. Yeah, Stormy Norman. W-E-B-E-1-0-8. Stormy Norman in the morning. In the morning. Now you got a free jingle out of it, brother. There you go.

Starting point is 02:49:57 That's our execs and our associate executive producers. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. These credits are real. Ask Stormy Norman. He knows all about it. You can use them anywhere credits are real ask storm and norman he knows all about it you can use them anywhere credits are recognized you can put them on your linkedin put them on your resume even uh put them on your imdb account which is you know the internet movie

Starting point is 02:50:14 database oh i'm sorry you don't have an account you do now because there's lots of executive and associate executive producers who are listed in there because it's an official title and it's good for your life thank you for producing episode 1618 john's going to take us through the 50s starting with sir sir sean mccune 170 39 and he is in the allegheny valley uh mark middleton in safety harbor florida 120 dan malley Fremont, California, right down the street, 113. Scott LaPierre in South Glastonbury, Connecticut, 11235. I think he needs a de-douching. You've been de-douched. D-douching. You've been D-douched.

Starting point is 02:51:08 One, one, two, three, five's a Fibonacci donation. Brian Lillard in Prosper, Texas, 8888. Sir Bralf in Greenfield Park, New York, 8833. And he says, please break for a night. Major jobs karma needed. We do break for nights. Both my wife and I are tempted to gain new employment, sell our home and move to the free state of new hampshire away from new york with a newborn much appreciated gents yes we'll do that in a moment sir broff kevin mclaughlin conquer

Starting point is 02:51:36 north carolina 8008 this is a boobs donation boobs are the reason we blush, he writes. He says the show 1615 small boob donation slogan was missing. Oh. Not that I know of. Sir Road Dog in Twin Falls, Idaho, 8008. Aaron Weiberg in Roberts, Wisconsin, 8-0-0-6. That's lopsided boobs. Parker Fulce in Roswell, New Mexico, yes, 7-7-7-7.

Starting point is 02:52:17 Yes. Marshall Bennett in Hartfield, Virginia, 75-45. He's now a knight. Yes. Knightly Sir Ball Peen the Hammer. And he wants... Youngling Lager. Youngling Lager and Sir Berserker's Head.

Starting point is 02:52:36 He's there. You can grab it yourself. I'm not going to rip it off for you. Gina Bishop in Mission, B.C. Mission, B.C., Canada, 75. Needs a couple of de-douchings. You've been de-douched. That's one for her.

Starting point is 02:52:56 And then we go to Eduardo Bishop, also in Mission, B.C., $75. Another de-douching. You've been de-douched. Kyle Potchak, Potchask, Potchask, Potchask, I don't know. Hannibal, Missouri, 70. Sir Kevin O'Brien in Chicago, our buddy in Chicago, 6-0-0-6. Small boobs with Kevin McLaughlin, 6-0-0-6, with a little jingle or whatever you want to call this.

Starting point is 02:53:29 Boobs, the eighth wonder of the world. I don't know about that. Okay, okay. Depends on the boobs, I think. Tony Morrow in Orlando, Florida, 6-0-0-6. Axel Paul in Lindvidell, Deutschland. Lindvidell, 60. Sir JubJub in Elkton, Florida, 57.

Starting point is 02:53:53 That's a birthday donation. Dean Roker, 5510. Herbert Garrett in Raleigh, North Carolina, 5510. Brian Rogers in Medford, New York. John, you seem to be an expert it he writes that we don't read these notes normally john you seem to be an expert on native ads i find it interesting every time you open a can of polar all water natural seltzer you talk about it for exactly 30 seconds coincidence i think not uh you you taking deals on the side, man?

Starting point is 02:54:25 I wish. Right. You have cases of this stuff. Gadget Freak 10 in Western Springs, Illinois. 50. These are all 50s now. We're going to do 50s name and location. Starting with Gadget Freak and followed by Alexander Verdejo in Gig Harbor, Washington. Luke Olson in Alexandria, Virginia. Corey Bennett in Denver, Colorado, Scott Lavender,

Starting point is 02:54:47 our buddy in Montgomery, Texas, Chris Cowan in Austin, Texas, Fletcher Scaife in Williston, North Dakota, Andrew Gusick, Sir Andrew to be exact, in Greensboro, North Carolina, Matt Illingworth in Montclair, New Jersey. Susan Hunt in Leola, Pennsylvania needs a de-douching on behalf of her dad, Mark Anderson. You've been

Starting point is 02:55:16 de-douched. Four dads for her, we can't say. Nicholas Rudovich in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia. Daniel, Sir Daniel LeBoy in Bath, Michigan. And last on our heard we can't say nicholas rudovich in harper's ferry west virginia daniel sir daniel le boy in bath michigan and last on our list our favorite sir johnny bananas in tinley park illinois i want to thank all these folks for making show 1618 the magic circle podcast a reality and thank you to everyone who came in under 50 i see you 49.99 is the reason we will never read anything below 50 that is guaranteed anonymity some people require that

Starting point is 02:55:53 and thank you uh those of you who are on our sustaining donations which are small amounts but are regular automatic donations you can make your own up. Lots of people like 1111 or 3333. You can do it whenever you want. We really appreciate it. I have a couple notes to read before we get into our birthdays and our meetups. Two night notes because we have some nightings. This is from Bernie Glynn. He says, I nearly choked on my mac and cheese

Starting point is 02:56:18 recently when I discovered that you clowns would honor a knighthood status if I paid an Australian dollars. Well, easy with the mac and cheese, man. Since I've paid well more than 800 US dollars over the years, which calculates to 1,194.39 Australian dollar redos, I hereby claim knighthood status. Yes, that's correct.

Starting point is 02:56:41 If this makes me a black knight, it doesn't. I would like to be known as Sir Bastoid of Blair Mount. It's not going to be a black knight. That's only if we mess it up. Yes, Sir Bastoid, Knight of Blair Mount. I've sent a regular donation to you guys to ease my guilt. Please deduce me.

Starting point is 02:56:59 You've been deduced. For the round table, I only ask that you both be there at my investiture ceremony for the sizzling repartee. Yes, we'll be there, Bernie Glim. And a note from Chris Palmos, who says, thanks for all you do keeping us sane. I'd like to be anointed Sir Feta of the armpit of Eastern Ontario. Request, Metaxa seven star and a Century Sam blunt.

Starting point is 02:57:23 Thanks, from Chris. Chris. Chris. Seven star is not that easy Sam Blunt. Thanks from Chris. Chris. Chris. 7 Star is not that easy to come by. Is it Chris or Christ? Do you think it's Chris Palmos? Or do you think it goes by Christ? Chris.

Starting point is 02:57:33 I think it's by Chris. And then a very happy note. I got this because I listened to the Dorfulverse podcast. Sir T.J. the Wrathful has a new human resource on the way, but here's the kicker, John. He reversed his vasectomy and it worked. It does work sometimes.

Starting point is 02:57:56 Yeah, but I think he reversed it because he was afraid of getting the lesbian face. So thank you all. Thank you all very much for supporting the No Agenda Show episode 1618.

Starting point is 02:58:11 We appreciate you execs and associate execs. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order. Order. Shut up, on the 18th. Dame Courtney Scarlet B, Chicago Kate, and Gitmo FEMA Region 5 wish Sir Spooky a happy birthday. She turned 50 on the 18th. Dame Courtney Scarlet B, Chicago Kate, and Gitmo

Starting point is 02:58:46 FEMA Region 5 wish Sir Spooky a happy birthday. Sir Spooky celebrated the 19th. Sir Jub Jub celebrated yesterday. Sir Tooth Fairy turns 38 today. Tim Turbo will be 33 to, let me see, tomorrow. Vicon of Hamilton and the Two Pennies

Starting point is 02:59:02 celebrates on the 23rd. Stormin' and Norman wishes his wife Dame Roundstone a big happy one. Turns 60 on the 30th. And TJ says happy birthday to Sir Chris Adamson. Happy birthday for everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Happy birthday, yeah. Two, two, two, two, two title changes. Turn and face the slate.

Starting point is 02:59:23 Nice changes. Don't want to be a douchebag. changes turn and face the slaves as you heard earlier we have two title changes today the title changes go to Sir Tooth Fairy who becomes Sir Tooth Fairy Baron of the region and Dude Named Ralph becomes Baron Dude Named Ralph of Suburban South Florida thanks to your additional support in $1,000 to the

Starting point is 02:59:44 Best Podcast in the Universe we appreciate to the best podcast in the universe. We appreciate that. And I almost forgot the jobs, Karma. Jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. We had that emergency jobs, Karma, that our knight and dame needed. Now we have one

Starting point is 02:59:59 dame and three knights to go here, so let's get out your blades. There you go, The regular one. That's a nice one. I like that jewel on the end there. It's kind of cool looking. Lacey B, come on up. Bernie Glynn, Chris Palmos, Marshall Bennett.

Starting point is 03:00:15 All of you are about to enter that very exclusive club of the Knights and Dames of the Noah General Roundtable. I am very proud to pronounce the kd as dame lacey sir bastoid knight of blaremount sir feta of the armpit of eastern ontario and sir ball peen the hammer for you we've got hookers and blow we have rent boys and chardonnay metaxa seven star in a century sam blunt mojitos and lechon asado wingling lager and sir berser Berserker's Head. Along with that, of course, we have Ruben S. Women and Rosé,

Starting point is 03:00:46 Gaysen, Sake, Vodka, Vanilla, Bong, Hits of Bourbon, Sparkling Cider, and Escorts, Ginger Ale and Durables, Press Milk and Pablum, and the Mutton and the Mead. And while you're being

Starting point is 03:00:55 very gluttonous and all of that, go to noagendarings.com. That's where you can look at the, anybody can go there. You can go there anytime you want. Take a look at those handsome knight and dame rings. They are signet rings, which means if you hit someone in the mouth, it'll leave a lasting mark.

Starting point is 03:01:09 Or you could use the wax that we send along with it to seal and make your official correspondence look very official. I love getting the letters and envelopes in the P.O. box that are sealed by the knight ring. It's all I get a kick out of that. And so will your friends and family. They'll think you're very cool. And remember to give us your ring size as a ring sizing guide at no agenda rings.com along with a place for us to send it. And thank you all for supporting the best podcast in the universe.

Starting point is 03:01:40 We appreciate it. No agenda meetups. We appreciate it. Hands down, the companion to the podcast is meeting up with your fellow slaves of Gitmo Nation, the human resources all around the world. You can find them at noagendameetups.com. They are taking place almost every single day of the week. As I said, it's a global phenomenon. You need this because connection is protection. And that's what they're doing in Los Angeles.

Starting point is 03:02:12 Leo Bravo had Flight of the Know Agenda's meetup number 47. Hey, everybody. It's Leo Bravo at meetup number 47. Here are some words from our guests. Hey, Adam and John. It's Steve in the morning. Hey, guys. It's Angie from the ranch in the morning. Hey, everybody.

Starting point is 03:02:22 It's B-Dizzle. Have a Merry Christmas. In the morning. Yeah, short, sweet, ranch in the morning. Everybody is beat. Isle. Have a Merry Christmas in the morning. Yeah. Short, sweet, and to the point. We appreciate that. Got a written meetup from the London producers who had their meetup, which was on the, what was that?

Starting point is 03:02:37 That was yesterday. They had it at Norfolk arms, Gigi, Ryan, Steven, Nasir, and 5am were there. The group was small, but perfectly formed. Lots of love from us to yourself and John. And sent some lovely pictures. I'm glad you guys had a good time. Here's some meetups that are taking place today. Calling All North Georgia Slaves starts at 6 o'clock at Cherry Street Brewing in Alpharetta, Georgia.

Starting point is 03:02:58 The Charlotte Thursday, 3rd Thursday begins this evening at 7pm at Ed's Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina. begins this evening at 7 p.m. at Edge Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina. And tomorrow, the ITM Slaves of Bulgaria and Beyond, 7 o'clock at Canal in Sofia, Bulgaria. Go join Tal for that and make sure you guys send us a meetup report. I'm very excited to hear how things are going in Sofia, Bulgaria and how many producers we actually have there. Lots more to see throughout the end of the year. Into February, go to noagendameetups.com.

Starting point is 03:03:26 This is where you can find your connection with other producers. You'll love it. Guarantee you can take your spouse, you can take your boyfriend, girlfriend, you can take the kids. There's always a lot. You can take your dogs, if the venue will allow it.

Starting point is 03:03:40 It's a family affair, and you'll feel part of the giant No Agenda family, 16 years strong. Noagendameetups.com. If you can't find one near you, start one yourself. It's easy, and it's loads of fun. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You want to be where you won't be. Triggered or held to blame. You want to be where you want me Drink it all, hell's a lame

Starting point is 03:04:05 You wanna be where everybody feels the same It's like a party Yes! It's a giant party. It's a great party. It's a no-agenda party. I'm so confident about my ISO for today. I'm gonna let you go first.

Starting point is 03:04:25 I'm just, I'm only going to play one and I'm going to, I'm going to, you're going to hands down. Okay. I'm sure you got a good one, but mine are all off beat. Okay.

Starting point is 03:04:33 Which one do we start with? Let's start with decide. Let the people decide. Okay. Let's off beat to say the least. Let's go to Fantastic. Fantastic. Okay.

Starting point is 03:04:51 Hard to beat that. Yeah, okay, yeah. And then last, Save You. I'm here to save you. That's pretty good. And I would say that normally would have won the prize were it not for this one. Merry Christmas, you filthy perverts. Come on.

Starting point is 03:05:09 Come on. Come on. That has winner written all over it, don't you think? I think it's a bad example. And now it's time for... It is funny. Come on, it's funny. It's fantastic.

Starting point is 03:05:23 All right. And now it's time for good news everybody john uh well let's to be more specific mimi has scoured the internets finding some good news i have to get i have to sort through them and so i picked this one is a woman who, this is just one of those heart, this is a good news story about a woman who got graduated and she graduated with her baby with her. And this

Starting point is 03:05:53 was cute. And it was another special graduation day at Ferris State University over the weekend. A woman graduated walking across the stage with her newborn baby nestled into her gown. Grace Sh Shimshak was supposed to have a c-section today actually. Instead baby girl Annabelle came 10 days early. Grace said she had been working hard at her degree in early childhood education. She wasn't letting anything

Starting point is 03:06:17 stop her from walking on graduation day. That just meant she had Annabelle strapped into her baby carrier with her the whole time. I don't And I kind of hope it inspires another mom to like go back to school and like show that she can do it too. I hope to see her walk across the stage one day too at whichever college or university she chooses without me having to carry her. And she says baby Annabelle actually did very well and did not fuss the entire ceremony. Now Grace will be teaching full time with preschoolers at a strong beginnings program in Traverse City. I really give her a lot of credit. You talk to her. I mean, it's pretty incredible. I honestly am just shocked that the newborn baby was calm that entire ceremony because those can be really long ceremonies.

Starting point is 03:07:02 That's very impressive. But what a great memory for them. Oh, a great memory. And it's so politically incorrect because, you know, it's a birthing person, not a mom. So I like that about the clip. I thought that was excellent. And, you know, it was just, that was a wholesome clip. Very good. Did Mimi find that one?

Starting point is 03:07:21 Did you find that one? She found that one, but there was something in there that to me was disconcerting. Disconcerting. That may or may not be noticeable. But she has the baby 10 days before she's scheduled to have a C-section. I know. That's weird, isn't it? It's like, oh, yeah, it looks like this will be your due date. We're going to give you a C-section i know that's weird isn't it it's like oh yeah you're gonna have it looks like

Starting point is 03:07:45 this would be your due date we're gonna give you a c-section this is today's modern uh hospital environment they just c-section money section all the women money money there's more money yeah you get them in you get them out it costs more perfect another good news story. A good news story from JCD. Happy vibes for you and me. And we all feel better now he's done his bit. So back to reality, that's turning to sh*t. Good news. Every single No Agenda show, everybody.

Starting point is 03:08:22 Our feet are wrapped in good news. And we love it that way. And that concludes our deconstruction day, which we love doing for you. We enjoy it very much, and we thank you for returning value for the value you received. Makes us feel good, makes us want to show up again, makes us not want to find an exit strategy. But to be honest, we're always looking. Some great value from our end-of-show mixers, Jesse

Starting point is 03:08:47 Coy Nelson, Shay Z, and Sir Michael Anthony. That'll be the last one. I guarantee you, it's not AI. It's just Sir Michael Anthony. No, he's a talented guy. That's what I mean. No AI can rack it up against our talented people.

Starting point is 03:09:04 And that's you. You are the producers of this podcast. So go forth. You're commissioned to feel proud and hit people in the mouth. And I am coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country, where we have extra body bags for April 8th. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where it rained yesterday,

Starting point is 03:09:28 it's nice today, and it's going to rain tomorrow. I'm John C. Dvorak. We return on Sunday, which will be Christmas Eve, right after Darren O'Neill's Rock and Roll Pre-Christmas Show. Until then, remember us at Dvorak.org slash N-A. Adios, mofos, a-hooey, hooey.

Starting point is 03:09:43 And such, we work on Christmas Eve. The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change. Someone's getting cornholed today. And her head is gone. This is a bunch of scumbags. Can you see that juice? That's true. Fact check false.

Starting point is 03:10:10 33. That's a magic number. Nine Trump rotations. Narcissist. Mean. Long ties. Insane. Tweets too much.

Starting point is 03:10:20 Small hands. Small penis. Big red button. Criminal. Eight glitches reported. Glitch. Glitch, glitch, glitch, glitch, big red button, criminal. Eight glitches reported. Glitch. Glitch, glitch, glitch, glitch, glitch, glitch, glitch. Seven Obamas knowing.

Starting point is 03:10:30 No, no, no, no, no, no. Six foamers foaming. Oh, my God! Oh, yeah! This is beautiful! Yes! Yes! I do!

Starting point is 03:10:39 Five emotional support goats. Four job commas. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Three John's chair squeakings. Two little grilliers. Yay! Yay! And an hour shop and dealer's choice. Is this crown hog day two?

Starting point is 03:11:05 Ho, ho, ho. Merry Christmas. Adios, mofo. You know Clinton and Cosby are Kelly and Kobe. Weinstein and Spacey and Jared from Subway. But do you recall the most famous rapist of all? Jeffrey Edward Epstein

Starting point is 03:11:35 had an island full of kids, filmed them with politicians for Israeli influence. All of the deep state assets with politicians for Israeli influence. All of the deep state assets were afraid of his arrest. They didn't want their sex crimes posted to the Internet. So on moggy New York night,

Starting point is 03:12:03 the Clinton cartel came. Cameras glitched and the guards napped while Jeffrey Epstein's neck was snapped. Then all the media coverage said it was a mystery. You're not allowed to protest And we're blaming the Chinese Merry Christmas, you filthy animal Ho, ho, ho, global citizens This is Santa Claus I am checking my list to see who is being naughty or nice

Starting point is 03:12:41 According to ESG The worst punishment will be for the climate change deniers. If you are naughty, do not worry. We will not put a lump of coal in your stocking. Coal is made of carbon, and carbon is verboten by ESG. So we will just take your stocking and your other gifts. You will get nothing and be happy. Another tradition is the leaving of cookies and milk for Santa. And your other gifts. You will get nothing and be happy.

Starting point is 03:13:09 Another tradition is the leaving of cookies and milk for Santa. These cookies must be 100% vegan. And the milk must be soy milk. Under ESG, there will be no more cow milk. And, of course, no more meat. You may also leave for Santa cookies made with the cricket flour and a glass of co*ckroach milk. But even I will not eat this. You will eat this.

Starting point is 03:13:34 Maybe not this year. Maybe not next year. But we still have plenty of time to implement Agenda 2030. So now is the opportunity for giving the hugs, exchanging the gifts, and eating the ham. Make the most of your unsustainable freedom while you still got it. We at the World Economic Forum wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New World Order. So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, good luck. The best podcast in the universe.

Starting point is 03:14:12 Opo. Dvorak.org slash N-A. Merry Christmas, you filthy perverts.